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duhvoodooman
July 31st, 2006, 08:20 PM
....with these pix of the used Epiphone Dot I picked up on eBay, which was delivered today. It's an '00, is in amazing shape, and sounds even better than it looks. The original owner says that the neck p'up was upgraded to a Duncan Jazz and the bridge to a Gibson Classic '57. In any case, the tone is outstanding, maybe better than my LP. Plays like a dream, too--great neck, low action. I've only had about an hour to play it tonight, but I'm one happy camper at this point. Note that the volume & tone knobs were changed to the chrome knurled Tele style, which matches the rest of the hardware nicely, but I really prefer numbered knobs. Will run these for awhile and see how I like 'em. Clips to follow in a day or two....

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Spudman
July 31st, 2006, 09:43 PM
Quite lovely. Congratulations Voodoo. Very sweet indeed.
You are probably going to fuel another fret.net gas attack. Now we'll find out who still has room on their credit card.

Robert
August 1st, 2006, 07:41 AM
Sweet guitar! Oh, man!

warren0728
August 1st, 2006, 07:51 AM
that is a beauty.....my next guitar is going to be a 335 type guitar....

ww

SuperSwede
August 1st, 2006, 08:05 AM
Very nice guitar! Congrats on the pickups as well, those are two very good pups!! :)

Tone2TheBone
August 1st, 2006, 10:20 AM
Dude thats a nice geetar. Great score! Why is the neck pup upside down?

duhvoodooman
August 1st, 2006, 10:50 AM
Why is the neck pup upside down?
Fair question, but I don't know why--that's just how it came.

Exactly what effect does the orientation have?

Tone2TheBone
August 1st, 2006, 12:49 PM
None that I know of. Maybe for asthetics and because the original owner "thought" they should look like that who knows. The wiring would be on the top side of that pickup though when placed upside down which would shorten the length of wire coming down into the control cavity. Maybe it was too long? I just wondered why. Should sound the same though.

jpfeifer
August 1st, 2006, 06:56 PM
Wow, great guitar. Send us some clips so that we can hear how it sounds. I love 335's.

-- Jim

warren0728
August 1st, 2006, 07:39 PM
could there be a noticable sound difference with the neck pickup posts (not sure if they are called posts or not) being further away from the neck with it upside down?

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Iago
August 1st, 2006, 09:37 PM
I know that Peter Green`s Les Paul had the neck pu upside down just like that (it happened by mistake)... though I never knew if it made the sound different at all.. maybe a bit more trebly??

maybe the previous owner was his fan, and decided to turn it up just to see how it would sound..

duhvoodooman
August 2nd, 2006, 05:13 AM
I've been doing a little research about the effect of mounting the neck 'bucker upside down, and have come to the conclusion that the impact on tone is pretty minimal. About the only thing it does is to move the screw coil away about a half inch from the harmonic "sweet spot" where the 24th fret (2nd octave point) would be. All I can tell you is that the pickup still sounds very good, and is still quite obviously a "neck humbucker" in tone--round and full, when played clean.

The "Peter Green" mod was apparently more than just mounting the neck p'up upside-down; the magnet was also turned around inside the p'up, causing it to become magnetically out-of-phase with the bridge p'up. This was the key to the characteristic thinner, somewhat hollow sound Green got when playing from both pickups simultaneously. My Dot doesn't give any evidence of this kind of tone when played from both p'ups, so I'm quite certain that it's just mounted upside-down.

Good thread on this subject HERE (http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=014259;p=1), and some further technical comments on the Seymour Duncan site HERE (http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/seymours_q_and_a_1.shtml#71)....

Iago
August 2nd, 2006, 09:42 AM
nice, pretty good clarification

tot_Ou_tard
September 7th, 2006, 05:56 AM
Having been away from the fret, I didn't know that Voodoo got an Epi dot.

Wow, just the sort of guitar that I've been drooling over.

Any update Voodoo? Do you still like the tone? Is the neck pup still upside down?

Talking about hollows & semis, has anyone ever tried a Schecter SH-1?

duhvoodooman
September 7th, 2006, 10:38 AM
Having been away from the fret, I didn't know that Voodoo got an Epi dot.

Wow, just the sort of guitar that I've been drooling over.

Any update Voodoo? Do you still like the tone?
I like it even better after THIS PROJECT (http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?t=1201)! Tones galore!


Is the neck pup still upside down?
Nope, fixed that. It was wired OK, just mounted upside-down. You can see it after fixing in one of the photo attachments in post #15 in the above link.

tot_Ou_tard
September 7th, 2006, 11:52 AM
I like it even better after THIS PROJECT (http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?t=1201)! Tones galore!


Nope, fixed that. It was wired OK, just mounted upside-down. You can see it after fixing in one of the photo attachments in post #15 in the above link.
Holy Moly Voodo...you Duh_Man!!

That's more than I'd want to do.

kerc
September 7th, 2006, 02:14 PM
Niiiice guitar. Love the red color.

duhvoodooman
September 7th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Niiiice guitar. Love the red color.
Yeah, I've always had a thing for cherry red guitars!! :R

warren0728
September 7th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Yeah, I've always had a thing for cherry red guitars!! :R
here's one for you....my ibanez GAX30TR

Plank_Spanker
October 2nd, 2006, 03:32 PM
Dots are sweet guitars if you find a good one. I have a Dot loaded with a '57 Classic in the neck and a '57 Plus in the bridge. It's a great playing, great sounding guitar.


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/axepilot/CleanDot.jpg

duhvoodooman
October 2nd, 2006, 03:43 PM
Dots are sweet guitars if you find a good one. I have a Dot loaded with a '57 Classic in the neck and a '57 Plus in the bridge. It's a great playing, great sounding guitar.
Amen, bruddah! I'm lovin' mine. It's got a Duncan Jazz at the neck and JB at the bridge. Also, I've done a whole bunch of pickup rewiring (see HERE (http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?t=1201) and HERE (http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?t=1397), if interested), and the thing's a real tone machine now. But it's the feel of that guitar that was the original--and still the strongest--attraction. Just fits me like a comfortable old flannel shirt. Here's a couple of new photos I took over the weekend:

http://duhvoodooman.com/miscimages/musical/Dot_mod_full.jpg http://duhvoodooman.com/miscimages/musical/Dot_mod_body.jpg

Plank_Spanker
October 2nd, 2006, 03:48 PM
Sweet looking Dot, DVM!

SuperSwede
October 3rd, 2006, 03:01 AM
DVM, that sweet red finish would make any Enso Ferrari owner jealous! :)

Tim
October 3rd, 2006, 03:48 AM
Voodooman - She’s a beauty. Looks like candy apple perfection to me. I am not a pick up expert, but do I not detect a Seymour Duncan at the bridge? Those pups must really produce a killer sound. I love a good jazz sound. I am still trying to find one with my Washburn arch top 335 copy.

duhvoodooman
October 3rd, 2006, 07:28 AM
I am not a pick up expert, but do I not detect a Seymour Duncan at the bridge? Those pups must really produce a killer sound.
Actually, they're both Seymour Duncan's. The neck is a SD SH-2 Jazz that was already in the guitar when I bought it, and the bridge is a SD SH-4 JB that I bought used from eBay. The bridge p'up that was in it sounded very good (the Dot's previous owner said that it's a Gibson '57 Vintage; not labeled in any way, so I can't confirm), but is a 2-conductor model that I couldn't use for my "fancy humbucker wiring" project.

And, yes, "killer sound" is a good description!! :DR

Algonquin
July 4th, 2008, 05:50 AM
Thread revival :bravo:

DVM, I can't get over the incredible wiring work you do on your guitars, so I'd like to pick your brain about the 335 mods here.

The DOT's seem to have come down in price recently. I'd like to get one, but I know I'd eventually want to upgrade the pickups, and have a concern over doing this on a semi, as opposed to the simple job it is on a LP. I'm not sure if you've posted anything on this process... maybe it's not that difficult, but I thought it couldn't hurt to ask one who has.

Pickups on this guitar seems to be good, but I believe upgrades could make it a great guitar. I played one yesterday (Cherry Red) that felt great, although the action was set much too high. (The bridge was set high, so an easy setup would fix this)

Sure, I'd like an Elitist or Gibby to fall into my lap, but that just isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Cheers :beer:
David