Agile or Epiphone?

[FrankenFretter]

As soon as I sell my Vox AD30, I'm ready to drop the hammer on a Les Paul/Les Paul clone. My original goal was the Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus Top, but I've been hearing good things about the Agiles. I already have two SXs and a Douglas, so I'm no strange to Rondo Music. I know there are several of you Fretters out there that own Agiles, and I know there must be more than a few that have Epis. I'd appreciate some advice and thoughts. My main concern is getting the Les Paul sound and feel, but I also love the cherry sunburst finish (or Heritage Cherry burst, as Epi calls it). Something that weighs a little less probably wouldn't hurt my feeling any. Ready...Go!

:rockon:

[Spudman]

I have an Agile 2500 that is pretty nice but as you say something lighter would be great. This is one of the features of the Anthem guitars I mentioned on this thread (http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?t=12355&highlight=anthem). The PST20 has a chambered body with maple top and 2 custom designed pickups specifically for that model. They sound real good, plus the bonus is that in the new batch coming in August coil tapping will be standard on the PST. It's a much lighter guitar than the Agile and is as good in the quality department IMHO.

[just strum]

I know nothing about Agile, but I am an Epiphone fan. However, I am not an LP fan, so I have never tried one made by any manufacturer. I do know a lot of people that love their Epi LP's (I believe Child Bride has a chambered Epi LP).

I've heard mixed things about the guitars coming out of Rondo that personally I wouldn't risk my money, but there are a hell of a lot of people that would challenge me on that and they probably have good first hand experience.

Since Epi's are so plentiful in most music stores, I would be inclined to buy one at a local shop rather than waiting for the UPS guy to deliver before you know what you bought.

IMHO of course.

[Robert]

Or just be smart and get a Hagstrom. ;)

[just strum]

Or just be smart and get a Hagstrom. ;)

I can go along with that thought.

http://www.hagstromguitars.com/Select_Swede.html

[oldguy]

I bought an Agile 3000 used, loaded with WCR crossroads pickups, and I love it. I'd say the quality equals the Epi's, and on a guitar-to-guitar basis, they're about equal. One word of caution, though, the Agile LP isn't light. They weigh in around 10.5 lbs.

[Tig]

For my budget, Epi's are one of the choices. I read mixed reviews on their recent quality problems, though. I like the LP Ultra II to most.

However, I think I'd rather save up a little longer and get something special, yet great quality, like a Fret-King for my double HB guitar. Their Blue Label Eclat Standard (http://www.fret-king.com/eclat_b.html) fits the bill, but still pricey.
The 'Vari-coil™’ control allows a continuously variable blend of humbucker to single coil.

http://www.fret-king.com/Full%20Guitar%20Images/Blue%20Label%20%20Guitars/eclatsttcb.jpg

[Robert]

Don't forget about Reverend Guitars either! Affordable, and really good quality.

[just strum]

Another one you might want to give thought to or at least take for a test drive is the Ibanez Artist series.

ART 100 in transparent cherry ($300)

http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-ART100

or

ARX 320 ($450)

http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-ARX320

http://www.ibanez.com/product.aspx

I had an ARC300 that kicked butt and I miss it to this day.

Light guitars, play fast, sound great.

[Kazz]

too bad we didnt come down this path a few weeks back....we could have worked a deal for my les paul in trade for your vox amp.

[sumitomo]

Now that you have all this info,you can write it on small strips of paper,then put the strips of paper in a box or hat shake pick one out and there you go,that's the one you should do! Sumi:D

[just strum]

Now that you have all this info,you can write it on small strips of paper,then put the strips of paper in a box or hat shake pick one out and there you go,that's the one you should do! Sumi:D

Yep, we are good at giving opinion and adding more options.

FrankenFretter, want another opinion - buy two!!!:D

[ZMAN]

I have not owned an Agile but I have owned 2 Epiphone Les Pauls in Heritage Cherry burst. The first one was a Korean Custom plus and was an amazing guitar. I traded it on a 50th Anniversary Deluxe Strat and I wished I had kept it. Then about a year later I purchased an Epi Elitist Custom in wine red. Now this is a fabulous guitar. If you can get an Elitist in HC burst I would jump all over it. There is nothing closer to a Gibson LP. I still had a longing for a HC burst Epi and I bought a Chinese Model. This was when they first moved from Korea to China and I was impressed by this guitar. Of course I had to go through about 8 to find one that didn't have issues.
I then went on a binge to buy Gibson LPs and after I purchase 3 I felt that the Epi was overkill and I traded it for a couple of Fender Squier Deluxes.
It was a great playing and sounding guitar. The pickups were very close to my gibson and had the exact DC resistance to my Studio with the 490 498 pickups.
Fit and finsh were excellent and the neck was really nice after a set up. Not quite a 60s profile but not as fat as a 50s.
So I would look for a Korean Custom Plus, or a Japanese Elitist. If you can't find one of those then go for the Epi Standard. You will not be disappointed.

[just strum]

The Elitist line, whether it's an LP, Casino (I believe the only one still in production), or any of the others are a great find and if the price is right, I would highly recommend buying one.

It is the opinion of many that the Elitist series is slowly being discontinued because many people were choosing them over Gibson. How true that is, I am not sure, but I have NEVER heard a complaint about an Elitist.

[FrankenFretter]

I have an Agile 2500 that is pretty nice but as you say something lighter would be great. This is one of the features of the Anthem guitars I mentioned on this thread (http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?t=12355&highlight=anthem). The PST20 has a chambered body with maple top and 2 custom designed pickups specifically for that model. They sound real good, plus the bonus is that in the new batch coming in August coil tapping will be standard on the PST. It's a much lighter guitar than the Agile and is as good in the quality department IMHO.

I read your Anthem thread recently, and I was intrigued. Pretty close in price to the others I've been looking at. Not quite the finish choices I'm looking for, but I could live with something else. I'll bear them in mind.

[FrankenFretter]

This has all been helpful. I haven't seen any Elitists for sale, but I haven't checked Ebay yet. Reverend and Anthem are now also contenders, I suppose. Keep the advice coming, Fretters! Thanks!

[Spudman]

I read your Anthem thread recently, and I was intrigued. Pretty close in price to the others I've been looking at. Not quite the finish choices I'm looking for, but I could live with something else. I'll bear them in mind.


New finishes are coming in August

[sumitomo]

Check out craigslist here in Bend there is a Epi LP custom in alpine white for 600.00.There has been some great axes for sale on craigslist here in Bend lately.Sumi:D

[FrankenFretter]

Check out craigslist here in Bend there is a Epi LP custom in alpine white for 600.00.There has been some great axes for sale on craigslist here in Bend lately.Sumi:D

I'll do that, Sumi. Not a big fan of white, but I'll see what all is available there. A good excuse for a brewery tour, um...I mean road trip. :)

[Tig]

Don't forget about Reverend Guitars either! Affordable, and really good quality.

I'm very happy with my recent Reverend purchase. The quality is above the price range, which always gets my attantion, and the neck is like buttah!
The bass contour knob is what sold me on the Reverends. For humbuckers, it acts like a coil tap when rolled off, but can be mixed for tone tweaking.

[Jimi75]

All recent Epis I have checked were excellent! I'd buy no copy, buy the "real" thing.

[bigG]

I haven't played any of the other axes mentioned (unless I missed some), but I love my Epi LP Standard Plaintop. Epi is alright! I think they're doing an outstanding job of value for $ paid.

If you want a Gibby LP but can't spend the bucks, an Epi is the way to go, IMHO...:dude:

[wingsdad]

If ever you may want to sell or trade it, especially if you try to trade-in, you'll have better resale value, as a % of what you paid for it, with an Epiphone than an Agile.

[FrankenFretter]

So far, Epi is winning this "debate". It's the original one I was interested in, not having the kind of cashflow to purchase an actual Gibson. Leaning more in that direction now, although the others may still be in the running. I still want a goldtop with P-90s somewhere down the line, and one of the clones may be acceptable for that.

Ebay has some fairly good deals on Epis right now, including some older Korean models. I am going to do more research on the Reverends and the Anthems. Whatever I buy, I'll probably replace the p/u's with some zebra Alnicos. I just love the look of the zebras in the cherry burst, and I love the sound of the Alnicos.

Has anyone owned an Epi LP that they didn't like?

[marnold]

My $.02 would be to try as many Epi LPs as you can. If you can't find one you like, try an Agile.

[ZMAN]

This one would be a good fit. It is a 2005 built at Saien plant. One of the best. Probably China. He says it is a 2007 but is wrong. He gives the actual serial number.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Epiphone-les-paul-custom_W0QQitemZ170359579684QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGui tar?hash=item27aa38e424&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C 293%3A1%7C294%3A50

[FrankenFretter]

This (http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000csbslim.html) looks promising...

Just more food for thought, as if I needed more.

[just strum]

This (http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000csbslim.html) looks promising...

Just more food for thought, as if I needed more.

" Actual Weight is only 10 lbs"

Only??? not sure if that is a selling feature. It certainly isn't as far as I'm concerned.

I can hear it now over the page system "Tow motor needed in aisle 6 to move guitar to shipping"

I know you need another suggestion like you need a hole in the head, but I would go with a 335 style and have a more versatile guitar. I always recommend them, so I am not just throwing that out there for kicks.

[ZMAN]

Another thing to look at is the 13.7 radius on the neck. Pretty flat. Most Gibbies and Epis are 12 inch. 10lbs is pretty heavy. I have a 1996 Gibby LP Standard that is around 10 and it is the heaviest guitar I own. It is also the best sounding and playing. I have a couple of the chambered Gibby LPs and they run in the 8+ range.
Also does anyone know anything about the Agile pickups? For the money it does look like a pretty cool guitar. You would still have money to upgrade the pickups IF you need to. They might be just great.

[oldguy]

This (http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000csbslim.html) looks promising...

Just more food for thought, as if I needed more.

Yes, but it's gonna be heavy. On the other hand, if 10lbs. is an OK weight for you, you'll also get some gorgeous abalone inlay work on an ebony fretboard. Don't think Epi does that for the same price....

[Jimi75]

My Gibbie LP weighs 9.3 lbs. Man it's a heavy beast but I can get along with it playing 2 hours on stage in a row! Another 0.7 lbs could break the came's back...who knows..10 lbs....puhhhhhh.

[wingsdad]

This one would be a good fit. It is a 2005 built at Saien plant. One of the best. Probably China. He says it is a 2007 but is wrong. He gives the actual serial number.

The 'I' at the start of the s/n indicates the factory code as Saien Korea.

The rest of the s/n indicates YYMMRRRR - Year-Month-Ranking #.

According to the s/n, then, this guitar was the 691st guitar built in May, 2005 in the Saien, Korea factory.


...Has anyone owned an Epi LP that they didn't like?

I briefly had a black LP Standard made in December 2004 in the Gibson China factory (s/n starting with 'EE' as the factory code) that I bought used. Nicely finished enough, but the neck pickup sounded like it had a sock over it and the bridge pup had no bite. Rather than invest in new pickups, I flipped it for about a $50 profit.

[FrankenFretter]

As of now, I'm going to have to wait until tax return time to get my LP, but I think I know what I want now:

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=319&CollectionID=6

I'll probably have to drive up to Portland to try one out, since there's no Epi dealer nearby. These come with a choice of the Asymmetrical neck, or the 60's Profile. I'll have to play one of each to decide, but I don't think I like the truss rod cover on the asym. Just personal preference, and it's not really a deal breaker.

Has anyone tried one of these out yet? I'd sure like to know if they're as sweet as the ads make them sound.

[Commodore 64]

Michael Kelly makes some really nice LP style guitars too. Mine's every bit of 10lbs, but a nice 3-inch leather strap makes a world of difference.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Michael-Kelly-Patriot-Special-Electric-Guitar-515960-i1395996.gc

[Tig]

Wow, those come with some great electronics and even have coil splitting. Some people might not want to pay that much for an Epi, but it sure looks like a keeper.

For less $, the Hagstrom Swede Tremar sure gets my eye. Too bad it only comes in black. I already have 3 black guitars, by coincidence!

http://www.hagstromguitars.com/images/ST_BLK.jpg

[Auriemma]

Two words... Michael Kelly

[NWBasser]

As of now, I'm going to have to wait until tax return time to get my LP, but I think I know what I want now:

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=319&CollectionID=6

I'll probably have to drive up to Portland to try one out, since there's no Epi dealer nearby. These come with a choice of the Asymetrical neck, or the 60's Profile. I'll have to play one of each to decide, but I don't think I like the truss rod cover on the asym. Just personal preference, and it's not really a deal breaker.

Has anyone tried one of these out yet? I'd sure like to know if they're as sweet as the ads make them sound.

Sean, do you want me to bring my LP when I (if) come down there to spend some time with one?

I think it would give you a pretty good idea of the Epiphone sound/feel.

[FrankenFretter]

Sean, do you want me to bring my LP when I (if) come down there to spend some time with one?

I think it would give you a pretty good idea of the Epiphone sound/feel.

Of course, Jason. If it plays like the one you had before, I know I'll like it. I just hope I can find one of the Tributes that plays that nice. Yours has the 60s neck, yeah?

[FrankenFretter]

Wow, those come with some great electronics and even have coil splitting. Some people might not want to pay that much for an Epi, but it sure looks like a keeper.

For less $, the Hagstrom Swede Tremar sure gets my eye. Too bad it only comes in black. I already have 3 black guitars, by coincidence!

http://www.hagstromguitars.com/images/ST_BLK.jpg

I like the Hagstroms. It's another one on the long list of must haves. That one is particularly tasty looking, Tig.

[FrankenFretter]

Michael Kelly makes some really nice LP style guitars too. Mine's every bit of 10lbs, but a nice 3-inch leather strap makes a world of difference.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Michael-Kelly-Patriot-Special-Electric-Guitar-515960-i1395996.gc

I'll keep that in mind, C64. I've never played a Kelly, but I know there's more than a couple of Fretters that love theirs.

[NWBasser]

Of course, Jason. If it plays like the one you had before, I know I'll like it. I just hope I can find one of the Tributes that plays that nice. Yours has the 60s neck, yeah?

Damned if I know what neck it has! It is comfy though.

The action's not as low as I would prefer and I'm thinking a bit of fretwork may in order at some point to get it there.

Then again, I love the sound of it and I seem to get around on it ok.

Hey, I'll bring my D4 and mic down too and we could record a bit of jamming.

[FrankenFretter]

Damned if I know what neck it has! It is comfy though.

The action's not as low as I would prefer and I'm thinking a bit of fretwork may in order at some point to get it there.

Then again, I love the sound of it and I seem to get around on it ok.

Hey, I'll bring my D4 and mic down too and we could record a bit of jamming.

Well, okay, but...I don't know how many times I can stand to play Runnin' With the Devil...

[Eric]

All of the recent activity has revived this thread, so I'll add in my thoughts:

-I own an Agile AL-3100, and of the 4 electric guitars I've owned and the many more I've played, it's my favorite by a significant margin. That includes some playing on epi LP's, but not extended use/ownership.
-I personally think you get a lot more guitar for your $ with Agile, both in finish and features (e.g. ebony fretboard).
-The downsides are that the thing is very heavy and the resale value, as mentioned by wingsdad, would probably suck. People like to buy big-name stuff, so a lesser-known brand like Agile won't have the brand appeal.
-I would not have even looked in Agile if my luthier, who knows more about guitars than anyone I have ever met, had not personally recommended them. As far as I can tell, their only downside is the resale value.
-If I was doing the shopping, I think I'd look for a used MK/Agile/Hagstrom/Reverend/Epi or one of those Anthem ones that Spud talked about.

Can you tell which side I'm on? Regardless, good luck in your hunt. I doubt you'll come out of it with a bad guitar.

[Childbride]

ok, for what it's worth...

after playing several guitars as a rank newbie still [and being blessed to do it] i am developing an ear and a notion for what i believe to be quality and what i don't.

i love my washie acoustics for their personalities and their individual tones. also, playing acoustic keeps me from being sloppy with my fretting and barre-ing.

i can tell you honestly, that now, the majority of what i practice is on the 'dark side' [aka electrics, unplugged, during commercials, or plugged with headphones so as not to interrupt the household]

and the two guitars on which i feel Nirvana are my ASAT i acquired from Wingsdad and my LP ultra that i acquired from Rocket. and i can also honestly tell you that i play them for different reasons.

the neck/frets are thinner/closer together on the LP so i practice for my accuracy... love the sound of those pups; the ASAT is like a dream in the action, the sound, and the playing, in a whole different venue.
so i'm biased.

play everything, pick what sings to you.

[Eric]

ok, for what it's worth...

after playing several guitars as a rank newbie still [and being blessed to do it] i am developing an ear and a notion for what i believe to be quality and what i don't.

i love my washie acoustics for their personalities and their individual tones. also, playing acoustic keeps me from being sloppy with my fretting and barre-ing.

i can tell you honestly, that now, the majority of what i practice is on the 'dark side' [aka electrics, unplugged, during commercials, or plugged with headphones so as not to interrupt the household]

and the two guitars on which i feel Nirvana are my ASAT i acquired from Wingsdad and my LP ultra that i acquired from Rocket. and i can also honestly tell you that i play them for different reasons.

the neck/frets are thinner/closer together on the LP so i practice for my accuracy... love the sound of those pups; the ASAT is like a dream in the action, the sound, and the playing, in a whole different venue.
so i'm biased.

play everything, pick what sings to you.
?

Isn't this thread about Epiphone and Agile LP copies?

[luvmyshiner]

and the two guitars on which i feel Nirvana are my ASAT i acquired from Wingsdad and my LP ultra that i acquired from Rocket. and i can also honestly tell you that i play them for different reasons.


Do we need to start running our posts by you Eric to make sure they have enough thread content?

[Eric]

Do we need to start running our posts by you Eric to make sure they have enough thread content?
Sure! I'll be happy to review all potential posts!

Just a little confused, that's all; I miss stuff sometimes. Hope there are no hard feelings.

[luvmyshiner]

No hard feelings brother. I just tend to get a little defensive where my lovely child bride is concerned. Especially when I feel she's trying to give legitimate input to a conversation.

P.S. you really don't want to review all my potential posts. That's SVL's job and he hates it.

[sunvalleylaw]

P.S. you really don't want to review all my potential posts. That's SVL's job and he hates it.

LOL!!! :help :bootyshake :rollover

[oldguy]

Just a quick comparison, as this thread has evolved since July.
A "real" Les Paul (Epi Tribute) will run around $800 w/ a hsc.
Nice guitar, rosewood fretboard, plain top, series/parallel switching,
Epiphone lifetime warranty.
For a bit more cash, you might pick up a nice Gibby LP Studio, tho.

An Agile AL-3000 will get you an ebony fretboard, flamed maple top, abalone inlays,fancier body binding, and comes w/ a hsc for around $470.
So, the Agile woud be a bit flashier in the looks department, but not a Gibson product, the Epi is a Gibson product, but not as fancy, and you might pick up a real Gibson Les Paul for a few dollars more than the Epiphone.

Now toss in the Hagstrom and Michael Kelly models, plus a few others (I might mention ESP), and the decision is easy...............


right?..................:poke



(Epi's will hold their resale value better than Agile, and Gibson should be even better, if that helps.)

[wingsdad]

...my LP ultra ...

?
Isn't this thread about Epiphone and Agile LP copies?

FYI: that's an
Epiphone Les Paul Ultra. (http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=242&CollectionID=6)

Worth every penny.

Or, it's 2nd generation:
LP Ultra II (http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=290&CollectionID=6)

[FrankenFretter]

Just a quick comparison, as this thread has evolved since July.
A "real" Les Paul (Epi Tribute) will run around $800 w/ a hsc.
Nice guitar, rosewood fretboard, plain top, series/parallel switching,
Epiphone lifetime warranty.
For a bit more cash, you might pick up a nice Gibby LP Studio, tho.

An Agile AL-3000 will get you an ebony fretboard, flamed maple top, abalone inlays,fancier body binding, and comes w/ a hsc for around $470.
So, the Agile woud be a bit flashier in the looks department, but not a Gibson product, the Epi is a Gibson product, but not as fancy, and you might pick up a real Gibson Les Paul for a few dollars more than the Epiphone.

Now toss in the Hagstrom and Michael Kelly models, plus a few others (I might mention ESP), and the decision is easy...............


right?..................:poke



(Epi's will hold their resale value better than Agile, and Gibson should be even better, if that helps.)

The LP Studios, while great guitars and genuine Gibsons, do not have the binding which is one of the things I've always liked about LPs. I know, it's a superficial thing, and doesn't affect the sound or playability, but that's just me. Someday I hope to own a "real" Les Paul, but it will most likely be an LP Standard.

I really am attracted to the Agiles, they're great looking, and from all that I've heard here and elsewhere, they're great players. They're not completely out of the running, but this Epi LP really has me at the moment. It's got the Gibson USA '57 Classic pickups, series/parallel wiring, coil cuts (which are often mistakenly referred to as "coil taps"), deep set neck...and so forth. It's a healthy chunk of change for an Epi LP, but still not a bad bang-for-buck deal.

Who knows, with my tax return AND my company bonus both coming in about the same time period, maybe I'll get one of each. And a Jet City amph...
:what

[Eric]

FYI: that's an
Epiphone Les Paul Ultra. (http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=242&CollectionID=6)

Worth every penny.

Aha. I knew I was missing something. Thanks.

[ZMAN]

I agree with you FF: If you go for the Epi, you will be basically getting a Gibson LP, with a little thinner maple cap, Gibson 57s, (no upgrade needed), good quality hardware, and a hardshell case. I basically have the same thing with my Elitist LP Custom, with the exception of the 490/498 pickups, and it is an amazing guitar. I paid 900 US on a MF blowout sale. I cannot compare it to an Agile because I have never owned or played one, but the Agiles get good reviews.
If the Epi you were looking at was a Standard, it would probably be a toss up at that price range, but if you are going for the Tribute I think you will be much happier.

[iohanr]

Hi All,

I guess this thread is kind of old... just wondering if the OP finally made his purchase. If not, here is my two cents:

I have an Agile AL-3100 that I bought last 11/09 for $389 based on all the rave reviews from the LP forums and HC user reviews. I was expecting an Epi-level quality which I've seen up-close and personal many times at local Guitar Centers. What I received was something definitely a "notch" higher in terms of quality. The fit and finish are gorgeous, the fret work was smooth, and my biggest surprise was the sound. The pickups definitely delivered that classic LP sound that we all know and love. There are two downsides to this guitar:

1. Weight - it is heavy! (some might say it helps your tone... I think it breaks my back/shoulder)
2. Resale - this is a non-issue for me. I don't buy and sell guitars. I buy and play.

I could definitely afford something more expensive, but I'm always on the lookout for "good value" guitars, and I've found that most Korean-made guitars are incredible values nowadays.

I am not discouraging you from buying anything else and I am sure the Epi's are great guitars in their own right. I just wanted to chime in and give a +1 for the Agiles. :)

Here are some pics of mine:

http://reaver.routex.net:8000/Uploads/Links/_IGP4283_resize.JPG
http://reaver.routex.net:8000/Uploads/Links/_IGP4288_resize.JPG

[FrankenFretter]

Hi All,

I guess this thread is kind of old... just wondering if the OP finally made his purchase. If not, here is my two cents:

I have an Agile AL-3100 that I bought last 11/09 for $389 based on all the rave reviews from the LP forums and HC user reviews. I was expecting an Epi-level quality which I've seen up-close and personal many times at local Guitar Centers. What I received was something definitely a "notch" higher in terms of quality. The fit and finish are gorgeous, the fret work was smooth, and my biggest surprise was the sound. The pickups definitely delivered that classic LP sound that we all know and love. There are two downsides to this guitar:

1. Weight - it is heavy! (some might say it helps your tone... I think it breaks my back/shoulder)
2. Resale - this is a non-issue for me. I don't buy and sell guitars. I buy and play.

I could definitely afford something more expensive, but I'm always on the lookout for "good value" guitars, and I've found that most Korean-made guitars are incredible values nowadays.

I am not discouraging you from buying anything else and I am sure the Epi's are great guitars in their own right. I just wanted to chime in and give a +1 for the Agiles. :)

I do have a great deal of faith in the stuff that Rondo carries. Even the low-end SXs often turn out to be high quality for the price. I know that there are more than a few guys here who love their Agile LPs, and although they still remain a contender, I am still leaning toward the Tribute LP. I've never played an Agile, but I have played a couple Epi LP Standards, both owned by my brother. I love the way they play, and the sound is absolutely what I would expect to hear from a Les Paul. And that's a good thing. The lifetime warranty also has to figure into the equation.

Thanks for your input, it's good to hear all sides. Even if I don't buy an Agile this time around, I still want a gold top somewhere down the line, and I would definitely lean more toward the Agiles for that one.

[Bloozcat]

For reference in case anyone else is still trying to decide between the two. This is the Agile I mentioned in and earlier post. It has a 2-piece mahogany body, a mahogany neck, and a full 3/4" carved maple cap on the body...just like a real Les Paul. The other features speak well of the guitar also. Comes with a H/S case for $650.00:
http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/electric/al3000m2ts1.jpg

http://www.rondomusic.com/al3000m2ts.html

[Spudman]

iohanr
I have an Agile LP as well and the thing that keeps me from playing it at gigs is that it is so heavy. If Rondo ever does a lighter chambered LP then I'll be all over it. My LP is awesome too. It plays great and is well crafted.

[Guitar Gal]

If Rondo ever does a lighter chambered LP then I'll be all over it.

Spud,

Rondo does offer a chambered LP option: http://www.rondomusic.com/al2900csbf.html

IIRC there have been other color choices offered as well :rockon

GG

[duhvoodooman]

I have an Agile LP as well and the thing that keeps me from playing it at gigs is that it is so heavy.... My LP is awesome too. It plays great and is well crafted.
Heavy guitars really don't bother me because (1) I'm a big guy, (2) I don't gig, and (3) I play sitting down probably 95% of the time. The reputation for being well-built, playing well & sounding great are what attracts me to the Agile LP's....as well as the very reasonable prices! I've got a serious lech on these days for one of these:

http://www.rondomusic.com/al3100boundblkgoldhw.html

[Tig]

Spud,
Rondo does offer a chambered LP option: http://www.rondomusic.com/al2900csbf.html


Wow, in a pawn shop, I saw a flamed cherry burst Epiphone LP Standard the other day that looked just like that. The tag said $399, but they'd take $350. It was in excellent condition, and I was severely tempted.

If an recent Epi and an Agile were basically the same, at the same price, I'd opt for the Epi, in case I ever wanted to sell or trade it later. Also, some chambered LP's are a bit neck heavy.

http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/electric/al3100mopcsb1a.jpg

[msteeln]

I sit to play everything, but would still go for the Agile chambered model. It has all the 3100 appointments, minus the abalone markers, is slightly cheaper, and I think chambered LPs have a might skronkier sound, more akin to an old classic. Too bad they don't come in nitro finishes.

[wingsdad]

Wow, in a pawn shop, I saw a flamed cherry burst Epiphone LP Standard the other day that looked just like that. The tag said $399, but they'd take $350. It was in excellent condition, and I was severely tempted. ...
It may not be worth quibbling over what year or where the Epi was made, but $350-$399 w/ case is about the right range for a Music Store re-selling a trade-in, as they likely 'invested' maybe 75% of that price tag in it. OTH, a Pawn Shop most likely will have 25%, or stretching it, at most 50% invested.

Lay $250 Cash on the counter at them. (They're likely to clear at least $50 , a nice margin). If no, bump your ante once to $275, then if need be, to $300. If still No, pick up the cash, thank them for the time, turn & walk out. Avoid using the term 'ripoff' to their face, and only mutter it silently as you head for the door. They may call you back...

FWIW: I can't recall a solid hog body LP of any brand that didn't weigh less than 9 lbs. It's the price you pay for such a beast.

[Eric]

I've found that most Korean-made guitars are incredible values nowadays.
Completely agree on this one.

[Brian Krashpad]

As others have noted, you'll probably get better bang for buck with Agile, but better resale with Epi. I had an Epi SG (G400) and an Agile SG (Valkyrie II), and preferred the latter, mainly because it has P-90's, which is not an option on the Epi (which I sold). I've had other Epi's as well, the Flying V in my avatar and a very nice WildKat I currently still have.

Since others have noted options beyond Epi/Agile (Reverend, Hagstrom, etc.), don't forget used DeArmond M-Series setnecks. Here's an M-72 I used to have, a mahogany chambered guitar with a flat maple top:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/BrianKrashpad/Honey.jpg

The guitars in this series (except for the single-coil Bigsby models) have made-in-USA DeArmond Goldtone pickups which are slightly bright PAF-style humbuckers. Other guitars in the series are solid with arched maple caps.

They are generally around $300 USD used, sfaik.

[iohanr]

Completely agree on this one.

On the flip side... I have had a mixed-bag results with China and Indonesia guitars. My daughter's SX (China) has sharp fret ends. My Squier Deluxe Strat (Indonesia) is nice, but doesn't scream "great craftsmanship" like the Agile (Korea) does. My PRS SE Custom 22 (Korea) and Michael Kelly Vex NV (Korea) are also incredibly well-made.

[Brian Krashpad]

On the flip side... I have had a mixed-bag results with China and Indonesia guitars. My daughter's SX (China) has sharp fret ends. My Squier Deluxe Strat (Indonesia) is nice, but doesn't scream "great craftsmanship" like the Agile (Korea) does. My PRS SE Custom 22 (Korea) and Michael Kelly Vex NV (Korea) are also incredibly well-made.

Another vote for MIK guitars here. The DeArmond higher-series (setnecks) were all made in Korea, and all the Epi's I've had were MIK as well, as are Agiles.

Haven't played an SX or one of the newer Epis that are made in China. However, it shouldn't be assumed that a particular MIC guitar will be inferior to a given MIK guitar, even if that may generally be true. It all depends on how the importer specs the guitar on the front end, and it's QC on the back end. A case in point is my Fernandes Ravelle, which is MIC. Reportedly Fernandes began production in China, moved production to Korea for a year or two, but then moved back to China because it was actually getting better results there. So it all depends on the importer and the particular factory used.

This Ravelle can easily hang not only with my MIK's but also my USA's (it helps that the stock pups are Seymour Duncan):

http://static.flickr.com/31/64206604_0561bb9017_o.jpg

[bek]

My MIK Epi LP is just a good solid guitar. It might help that it's a Limited Edition, gold sparkletop with a Bigsby; I think they spec the Limited Editions a little better. At least the sparkletop is amazing! Actually, when I was playing in a church band for about a year, I rotated among a few different guitars, most of them made in the USA, but that one got the most compliments, both tone and appearance!

[Duff]

I have two Epi LP standards, one a plus top; both with Seymour Duncan JBs in the bridge and one has a jazz in the neck and the other a better sounding 59 in the neck.

I have a Michael Kelly Patriot Custom that is awesome with direct mount Rockfield pups, great humbuckers. Paid about 600 plus minus for it. Cherry burst.

I have an Xavier XV500 solid mahogany body and set neck with three quarter inch solid maple cap in white with the GFS crunchy PAT pickups that break up just at the right time for a great LP sound and only 208 dollars. This guitar competes with the above guitars.

I have an Ibanez ART300 alligator hide maple top mahogany body active pup LP style guitar that is light and awesome. Playing it right now, taking a break, thru my Crate Palomino V32 212 at bedroom level, can you believe that! Sounds super great even at low vol with the twin Celestion seventy eighties in it. This ART300 is about 399 now and is an awesome, awesome guitar. Mine is the swampwater amber burst real swamp alligator like finish.
The pickups are crystal clear to highly driven. Super excellent build quality and beautiful neck and fretboard.

I want to get an Agile 3100 bound black like the Voodooman wants. 400 dollars. Supposed to sound super great with stock pups. I usually play laying down or sometimes sitting. I play myself to sleep and play in the dark and it helps develop your ear and eliminate eye to fret hand fixation, which you don't want to develop as a bad habit; you want to correct this bad habit if you have it; not to be bossy, ha ha, just some quick thrown in advice, learned by chance and shareable.

That Epi Tribute has locking tuners, a case, and a lot of other great features like coil tapping, for the money it looks like a great deal if you can afford it; but you could put locking tuners on an Agile easily and do without the coil tapping or further mod the pickups, but the stock pups are probably great.

At this particular time I'm debating upgrading to an ESP LTD EC1000 Deluxe in gloss black with gold hardware and EMG 81/60 pups, or an Ibanez SZ320 gold top I can get for 300 dollars brand new old stock.

The Ibanez is a sort of super stratish LPish toned mahogany guitar that sounds great stock. Three position toggle that splits the humbuckers into a fenderish single coil tone that is known to be quite useful by those who have the guitar, unlike the traditional three position toggle, the middle position is the single coil from each pickup position. Unique idea?

Epi or Agile? I would probably go for the Agile 3100 or 3000 right now if I had to choose. Probably a way better guitar from what the reviews infer. Epiphones are really neat to have because the Epiphone name to me is like Fender or Gibson or other big time names; it has name recogintion, so owning one is kind of neat, but I would get a good one. I have a great Epi '66 gibson copy SG as well that sounds fabulous stock in cherry transparent.

Who ever heard of an Agile that you know? Hear one and you will know what some of us are talking about. They sound great. So it's sort of like a comparison of name brand presence and the higher quality of a good Agile, as far as I can tell. But for the SG I would go Epi for sure because the Agiles don't seem to look exactly right, at all, but I'm getting used to it because ESP LTD Vipers look the same way and sound great with both the Seymour Duncans and EMGs in the Deluxe Viper 1000 models - two different sounds, both super great thru a Fender Supersonic with a Celestion Vintage 30 on the Burn setting.

[FrankenFretter]

Like the Kim Mitchell song, "There's decisions to be made between lager and ale". Well, except for the fact that I don't really care for lager...

I ordered the Epi Tribute Les Paul in Cherryburst with the 60s neck. The same guitar that Duff just purchased, in fact. It should arrive here late this week, along with some headphones and a pedalboard.

I'll post pics along with initial impressions sometime after she arrives and I've had a chance to noodle around a bit.

[FrankenFretter]

I bought the Epi Tribute Les Paul, and I love it. Sounds great, plays great, and it looks nice too. But...

I felt like I didn't give the Agile a fair shake. I saw the Tribute, and made up my mind without hesitation. After all was said and done, I kept seeing posts about the Agiles, and how fantastic they are. It made me think. And then Rondo's newsletter came, and lo and behold, there's a B-stock Agile AL3000 (http://www.rondomusic.com/product2865.html). I jumped on it. Now I can settle things in fair fashion, and the winner gets to stay with me. And the loser too, probably. Almost certainly, really. Because what's better than one beautiful mahogany single-cut? Two, of course. Or three, or... well you get the picture.

The FedEx site says it's expected Saturday the 13th. Pictures and impressions will follow shortly after.

We now return you to your regular programming.

[Brian Krashpad]

Haha, you crazy man!

Well, now you have 2 LPs-- always good to have a backup.

;)

Congrats.

[FrankenFretter]

Haha, you crazy man!

Well, now you have 2 LPs-- always good to have a backup.

;)

Congrats.

Yes, one should always have a "plan B". Thanks, Brian.

My name is Sean, and I'm a guitar addict.

[Tig]

I jumped on it. Now I can settle things in fair fashion, and the winner gets to stay with me. And the loser too, probably. Almost certainly, really. Because what's better than one beautiful mahogany single-cut? Two, of course. Or three, or... well you get the picture.


You, Sir are my new hero!!! :applause
Long live FrankenFretter!
:dude

[Duff]

I am thinking seriously of getting an Agile to accompany my Tribute. I will get at least a AL3000 at least.

Right now there are some real nice Agiles on the Rondo site that are very enticing.

I have been wanting to get a black LP style with gold trim, or the double bound black one.

I have my son's Epi LP Studio I hot rodded for him but he wants to get it back and start playing again, along with his basses and bass amps. I have my own LPs, basses and guitar and bass amps.

So a black LP Agile would be right on time here in the near future. Play it stock or mod the electronics and pickups. How good are those stock AL3000 and 3100 pickups? Are they anything like a Seymour Duncan set of JB in bridge and 59 in neck? I doubt it. Probably more vintage hot tone.

Tonight I have been playing my Ebanez Destroyer, lawsuit? and having fun with it. Great hot pickups, bolt on neck though but I got it used for like 125 with hardshell case in super great shape with a solid mahogany body, natural finish and no pickguard. Quite a nice explorer. Also have my Michael Kelly Patriot Custom out and ready to play tonight as well. I usually play myself to sleep and can stay up late tonight, don't have to work tomorrow. Might also pay my Squire, stock CV 50s sunburst with solid amber pearl pickguard and new Fender five way switch. Amazing at how some of these modifications just happen out of necessity. Why put a junk five way switch back into such a nice guitar, and the pickguard is awesome. Will try to take pictures tomorrow. This stock CV sounds great and plays super great, no wonder they have earned such a warm place in the hearts of many.

Everything is getting played thru my Peavey Tweed Delta Blues or my Crate V32 Palomino 212, both of which are set up right next to my bed and laptop. My fiance likes me to play her to sleep with some mellow jams.

My next targetted purchase is an old style JamMan looper.

[Eric]

The FedEx site says it's expected Saturday the 13th. Pictures and impressions will follow shortly after.
Haven't heard much on the Agile since this update and a brief blurb in another thread. How is it? What are your impressions/preferences between the two of them, and how much coin did each cost you (i.e. price/performance ratio)?

[FrankenFretter]

Haven't heard much on the Agile since this update and a brief blurb in another thread. How is it? What are your impressions/preferences between the two of them, and how much coin did each cost you (i.e. price/performance ratio)?

Patience, grasshopper. Wait until Friday...then all will be revealed.

[Bloozcat]

I think one has to decide just which Les Paul tone they're after in their Gibson/Epi LP or other LP copy before they decide on a particular model.

Some early Gibson LP's came through with carved mahogany tops, like the gold tops and black beauties. Others were made with 3/4" carved maple tops, both plain and figured. This is continued on in the Gibson line still today. The two styles have differing tone. The mahogany carved tops are known for a warm, darker tone while the carved 3/4" maple tops a brighter tone. Which is right for you depends upon your style, your ear, and the tone you like when listening to your favorite artists who play LP's.

I have three Agile LP type guitars with humbuckers. The first I bought was the LP-2800 DLX, which is an early model with a maple neck and a carved top mahogany body with a 3/8" flamed maple cap. It is a dark toned guitar. I ended up installing a 1-meg neck tone pot in it to lighten the dark boomy, muddy tone in the neck pickup. This was after trying about 4-sets of pickups and numerous types and values of tone caps. When I first re-wired it I put CTS pots in it that averaged 520K. Not all heavy mahogany body Agiles with thin maple tops are dark sounding, but many are.

I have an AD-3000M which is a double cut with a mahogany neck, a two piece mahogany body, and a 3/4" plain maple top with a thin veneer of flame maple. Although not quite the same as a single cut LP it is very close. The guitar is none-the-less brighter and snappier in tone than the LP-2800.

The third one is the AL-3100M I just recently purchased. It has a 1-piece mahogany neck, a two piece center joined mahogany body, and a 3/4" carved, plain maple top. The tone of this guitar is brighter, snappier, and more resonant that the original LP-2800, and even a little more so than the AD-3000M (but differences in the body mass in general may have something to do with that).

With this last purchase I wanted to get as close to the tone of a Les Paul with 3/4" maple cap as I could, but within a reasonable budget. This AL-3100M does this. I've owned Gibson LP's in the past, and this Agile mimics the tone and feel of the thick maple top models that I've had. And it is a different animal than my old Gibson gold top, which did not have the maple cap and was thus darker in tone. I also wanted a nut width of 1-11/16" or as close as possible. My Strats are all this neck width, and so are the Gibson LP's I played in the past. I was a little more ambivelent about the neck profile. I'm fine with a slightly thicker C or D profile neck, but since the Gibson LP's I'm most familiar with are 60's models with the thinner D shape, I leaned more towards that profile. So, these were "feel" issues, which taken along with my other criteria were important.

As to appearance, I wanted the guitar to be attractive looking with good fit and finish but not necessarily over the top stunning looking. A classic LP look was more what I was going for. The plain maple top in the classic cherry sunburst finish has IMHO, an understated elegance that I find appealing.

Now, having said all of this, there are still lots of variables. No two guitars have wood that has the same density or resonate the same. Weight varies also. And when you're talking about combining wood types the variables increase. But, there are generalities that can be made about each type. Generally carved mahogany top LPs are on the darker side of the LP tone spectrum. And, generally mahogany body thick carved maple top bodies are on the brighter side of LP tone. Choose the right fit for you.

There are are other options to consider as well. What neck profile are you looking for? Thicker 50's C style? Thinner 60's D style? Or perhaps a variable of either? What about the nut width? Do you want the standard Gibson 1-11/16" (or something metrically close)? Or, are you more fond of the narrower 1-5/8" width?

In my case the electronics were not a real issue as I can change anything in that regard to my liking (and usually do). But not everyone is so inclined, so things like pickup types, pots, switches, and wiring schemes need to be considered. What's ideal, what's good, and what's good enough.

So, this was my evaluation process in choosing my most recent LP type guitar purchase. We all have our own likes and dislikes across the whole spectrum. But for someone who is trying to decide exactly which LP they want, perhaps this evaluation can help them a little in prioritizing their requirements.
:)

[M29]

Great advice Blooz great advice:applause

[Eric]

Good summary -- thanks. I own an AL-3100 that is mahogany with a thin (1/16") flame maple top, and your description about body construction and tones helps. I guess I tend to lean toward a darker tone, which may explain why I found the transition to a SH kind of difficult.

The reason I asked FF about this is that I have seen this Agile/Epiphone debate rage in many forums, and am interested in FF's opinion when he A/B's them. I have not spent much time on Epi LP's, much less one that seems as nice as his Tribute LP, so I'm curious what the sniff test shows.

[sunvalleylaw]

Nice post Blooz! I have not played any LP's much, the most probably being Spud's cherry burst Epi, back when I was even more of a newbie in early '07. I was not aware enough to form much of an impression then. I like the idea of an LP sometime, but after your post, realize I am not really sure what I am looking for. I was heavily leaning toward Agile when I do go there sometime.

There are two LP sounds that interest me primarily. Les Paul's (the man) cleans he got all those years out of a Goldtop. It is interesting to hear that the goldtop was a mahogany top with darker tendencies. The other tone is a punky, thumpy, chugga chug rock tone.

Given that one can darken or dirty up a clean tone, but it is difficult or impossible to brighten a dark tone, I guess I am looking for what you last purchased. In terms of color, the rootbeer one, or the goldtops were my favorites. Hmm.


EDIT: this one looks sweet, http://www.rondomusic.com/al3100te.html

[duhvoodooman]

Like FF, I'm also now an owner of both Epiphone and Agile LP's. My Epi is a 2005 Elitist LP Standard, made in Japan just before they phased out the production of the Elitist LP's. The Elitist series instruments are truly a cut above other Epiphones, much more comparable to a Gibson (the good ones, that is!). It's a faded cherry-burst plain top, with a thick maple cap, and is definitely a brighter sounding Les Paul. The only thing I wasn't particularly impressed with were the stock pickups, which I replaced with Seymour Duncans (a '59 at the neck position, and a Custom 5 at the bridge). I bought the guitar when MF was phasing them out, and I only paid $700 for it--less than a third of what the Gibby LP Standards were going for. They had been selling at $1000 prior to that. It's a fine instrument, though not really a typical Epiphone.

I took delivery of a new Agile AL-3000 just two days ago (see it HERE (http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?p=167858#post167858)), and I'm just flat amazed by the guitar. It's a black one, and solid mahogany, so it definitely has a darker tone than my Elitist LP. The workmanship is just impeccable, and the guitar plays like a dream. The controls all feel very solid, and I just love the feel of the "wide profile" neck. Obviously, with only a couple of hours of playing time thusfar, my impressions of the guitar are preliminary. But at this point, I would rate it on a par with the Elitist--very, very impressive for a sub-$400 guitar!

[MAXIFUNK]

I have been drooling over this Gibby for a while has anyone seen any copy close to this guitar? Excuse my off the thread topic question!

Gibson Les Paul Standard Traditional Pro Electric Guitar in black
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Standard-Traditional-Pro-Electric-Guitar?sku=581715

[Geraint Jones]

Maxi try the Epihone Les Paul Custom Antique , although the colours are limited to black or white , the headstock and yellowed binding look quite stunning

[Duff]

Also Maxi, the Epi Tribute to Les Paul comes in cherry sunburst plain top and is an awesome guitar.

Looking at it this morning before work standing there by the amp was kind of a haunting moment; I mean it definitely was giving off those "Les Paul" the man, vibes. It was a beautiful moment and it made me glad I got the guitar.

Evidently the company put some serious interest into designing and building these Tributes, a great guitar, with a real vibe; I mean a REAL vibe. I was kind of stunned this morning. The cherry burst tone and the antique look and the general vibe was different than my other LPs. Maybe it was the lighting, the way the morning light interacted with the finish. Really stunning and a surprise as well.

Talking about LPs with a three quarter solid maple carved tops, I got my Xavier XV500 for 209 US and it is an awesome guitar. A couple minor upgrades and it will be super awesome.

I'll compare it to my Tribute and see if it's any brighter, see which one sounds brighter.

Also, obviously, your choice of amps is going to give you a chance to make your guitar sound brighter. I'll get out my Super Champ XD and try some of those real clean Fender cleans and see what it does to a couple LPs, plus it has a real good ten inch speaker, Ragin' Cajun.

UPS truck just rolled up and I'm going to open up the Classic 30 and try it out.

I don't suppose these inexpensive guitars are anything like that Gibson you are looking at Maxi, but I just thought I'd share some thoughts.

[NWBasser]

I bought the Epi Tribute Les Paul, and I love it. Sounds great, plays great, and it looks nice too. But...

I felt like I didn't give the Agile a fair shake. I saw the Tribute, and made up my mind without hesitation. After all was said and done, I kept seeing posts about the Agiles, and how fantastic they are. It made me think. And then Rondo's newsletter came, and lo and behold, there's a B-stock Agile AL3000 (http://www.rondomusic.com/product2865.html). I jumped on it. Now I can settle things in fair fashion, and the winner gets to stay with me. And the loser too, probably. Almost certainly, really. Because what's better than one beautiful mahogany single-cut? Two, of course. Or three, or... well you get the picture.

The FedEx site says it's expected Saturday the 13th. Pictures and impressions will follow shortly after.

We now return you to your regular programming.

Well now, this is a new development!

Keepin' me in the dark eh?

I'll be happy to check 'er out when I get there tomorrow and then I can post my impressions as well here.

I'll be bringing my LP Standard and we can do three-way test!

An all-out, knock-down, drag-out Les Paul shootout!

Who'll win?

Stay tuned.

[NWBasser]

All this talk of bright and dark tones in pretty interesting to me.

Since I'm primarily a bass player, it's a one electric guitar and hence, one tone, proposition for me. I wouldn't even have the room for any more guitars!

Also, being a bass player I suppose, I lean towards the darker guitar tones and my black Epi LP Standard nails it. Matter of fact, a lot of my favorite recording artists use LPs and I gravitate towards that tone.

Another consideration is that I generally look for playability (neck shape, low action) and tone first before appearances. I don't play guitar in any bands and so I'm pretty much the only one who has to look at it and my view is usually straight down at the top!

Give me a plain-jane with good tone and easy on the fingers and I'm a happy camper.

To this end, my Epi LP standard fits fairly well although it could use lower action. I've worked on that somewhat, but it may eventually need some fret filing and polishing to get what I want.

Now I can't wait to check out Sean's (FF) two LP's!

[Blaze]

There s nothing like a shootout or somes good clips ...

[FrankenFretter]

There s nothing like a shootout or somes good clips ...

I still don't have anything to record with. Not that anyone would want to hear anything I played anyway, but I have an excuse not to post clips. ;-)

Well, it looks like the jig is up. My brother, NW Basseroo, has finally noticed this posting. I was waiting to post some pics and a review until he was well into his long drive south, but I'll at least post some pics of the Agile real quick like:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_NPlyZiLy0Pw/S5-AhprV32I/AAAAAAAAAbI/SomMS7HI-cs/s288/100_1982.JPGhttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_NPlyZiLy0Pw/S6LLYTx117I/AAAAAAAAAc0/kZ21bqqvg_E/s288/100_1988.JPGhttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_NPlyZiLy0Pw/S5-AjWHOA7I/AAAAAAAAAbQ/3fuJq9WPI_s/s288/100_1987.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_NPlyZiLy0Pw/S5-AhdViMtI/AAAAAAAAAbE/zFpt-sebyUI/s288/100_1981.JPG

[Tig]

Dang, that is pure guitar beauty...
Top shelf guitar porn!

You guys are making my next guitar choice happen before I was expecting.
Now, which color will I choose...
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/images/2008/11/06/102408_apes_572_2.jpg

[Monkus]

sweeeeet! Good looking axe!

[NWBasser]

There s nothing like a shootout or somes good clips ...

I'll be bringing my 4-track down there. How/where do you post sound clips?

I haven't really done that just yet.

[MAXIFUNK]

Thanks Duff and GJ for the info on the epi's time to make a trip to gc to check them out.

[FrankenFretter]

Dang, that is pure guitar beauty...
Top shelf guitar porn!

You guys are making my next guitar choice happen before I was expecting.
Now, which color will I choose...
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/images/2008/11/06/102408_apes_572_2.jpg

Tig, that picture is awesome! I can name all but the last two to the left. That reminds me that I need to add those movies to my DVD collection.

The Agile is definitely the looker of the pair. Then again, like DVM says, plain tops are a kind of beauty unto themselves (I'm paraphrasing, of course).

I did take the pickguard off the Agile, and stuck in on the Epi without actually mounting it. It fits perfectly, btw. I also traded the amber bell knobs from the Agile for the amber speed knobs on the Epi. I like the retro look of the bell knobs on the Epi, but I have to admit that the speed knobs are more user-friendly.

Getting ahead of myself. I'll do a real review tomorrow. Or later tonight...I've had coffee...:crazyguy

[iohanr]

Interesting... haven't checked the forums in a couple of weeks and I come back to see you went ahead and got both the Agile and the Epi! Count me in as another one waiting for your shootout review.... :)

[FrankenFretter]

Interesting... haven't checked the forums in a couple of weeks and I come back to see you went ahead and got both the Agile and the Epi! Count me in as another one waiting for your shootout review.... :)

The review is here: http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php?t=14786