PDA

View Full Version : NGD - Peter Graves would be proud. Picture heavy!!!



FrankenFretter
August 11th, 2011, 07:58 AM
No, this has nothing to do with Mission Impossible. Just a guitar that's Gladiator brand. Do you like Gladiator movies?

A few weeks ago, my GAS pains started after reading about these inexpensive Chinese LP copies with the Gladiator brand name. They're made by Saga, the same company that makes the Blueridge acoustics. From the reviews I read, I was more than a little intrigued. The dimensions are supposedly almost identical to a genuine Gibby, and the neck profile is said to be a perfect '59 profile. They had (yes, had. I'll explain later) three models, a lower-end bolt on neck, a middle range set neck, and their flagship model, which featured a 1/4" maple cap and a long tenon neck. All three have Wilkinson pickups, vintage tulip style tuners and a few other nice accouterments. The flagship model, the GG-258, was/is going for $800-$1000 on Ebay, while the middle range GG-157 was going for $499 or so. I found a seller on Amazon that had the GG-157 in a three-tone sunburst for less than $300. I couldn't justify spending that much out of savings, so I sold my Douglas WRL 590, and a couple sets of pickups I had sitting around. Luckily for me, the guitar (they only had one in stock) was still available when I had my funds together. I ordered it, and about a week later our friendly UPS guy delivered it to my doorstep. And since this guitar would only be a myth without photos, here they are:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9QBfggiVWJc/TkPUfJAXurI/AAAAAAAABF4/nY57KluYPHo/s800/100_2312.JPG

Still in the box, you can see the beautiful top on this.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FtOoKpeMQ7U/TkPUgOPqNGI/AAAAAAAABF4/-u7SIEs6IJU/s800/100_2314.JPG

The gratuitous bridge shot.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ScfeJUzknbg/TkPUocz7XrI/AAAAAAAABF4/kNT5fV3s8yI/s800/100_2315.JPG

The Wilkinson pickups. Not bad sounding at all, although I think these are their ceramic covered pups.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Yd4PjpFZGzw/TkPUv6w2YjI/AAAAAAAABF4/4vd7K7ZxHS4/s640/100_2318.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c8LAV8bDAmA/TkPUwA2iMxI/AAAAAAAABF4/oxPR3aOZb1w/s640/100_2319.JPG

Kluson Keystone style tuners, and metal jackplate. And now the bad news...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jGkWMM_gRlA/TkPU3ua9agI/AAAAAAAABF4/Yc5Oot0yJZs/s800/100_2323.JPG

A bad finish chip on the end strap button. Could have occurred during shipping. This flaw ended up bringing the total cost of the guitar to under $200. I can live with that.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CctuSRb5iVA/TkPVGOhfhOI/AAAAAAAABF4/aT-iFxS2Tw8/s800/100_2325.JPG

This model is supposed to have block inlays starting at the first fret, similar to a Les Paul Custom. I got a "fluke" according to the seller. This fretboard was intended for the higher model, the GG-258. I was looking forward to the block inlays, as I don't have any LPs with those, but I can live with these. The manufacturer said that only a few were made like this, so I may have one that is worth more to a collector. Yeah, their words, not mine.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sVIqXTOvUvo/TkPVT0QPPNI/AAAAAAAABF4/eaQr9nerweg/s800/100_2328.JPG

A good outdoor shot of the front. The top looks even better in person. It does look awfully glossy though. You know what I'm thinking, don't you?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-VO0rsGPYKes/TkPVmq6_tQI/AAAAAAAABF4/q_lAT01snTA/s800/100_2335.JPG

The back. Looks like it might be a two-piece body. Not bad.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C8K791fKZ0g/TkPVljCFvdI/AAAAAAAABF4/NFmaaZvX1G4/s400/100_2334.JPG

The headstock is not one of my favorites, but I'm not playing the headstock.

First impressions: I wasn't sure about the neck, seeing as I love the thinner necks. I'm pleasantly surprised that it's very comfortable to play. It's quite beefy, although not a log-neck. I will be taking the Scotchbrite pad to the back of the neck (and maybe the rest of the guitar...), but other than the gloss, I really like the neck a lot. By the way, it's a 12" radius, same as a Gibson. The Wilkinson pickups sound really decent, either clean or dirty. Of course I'll replace them, because that's what I do. Tuners are about the same as all the other Kluson Keystone clones, meaning they're not as smooth as Grover 18-1s, but they work fine. The action is slightly high, and there's a bit of fret buzz in the middle, meaning I probably need to set some relief in the neck. Frets are smooth and have zero fret sprout. The weight is slightly under nine pounds, if I remember correctly. This is a very solid feeling guitar, and it plays nicely. The quality of the craftsmanship is impressive. I'm very happy with this guitar, and I wouldn't mind owning another one. That might be challenging pretty soon, though; the big G has issued a Cease and Desist order for these guitars, so whatever is already out there is what's available. There will be no more made.

Now I have to run to work, but I'll be happy to answer questions as I get the time to do so.

Eric
August 11th, 2011, 08:13 AM
Nice guitar. But you should leave it shiny!

FrankenFretter
August 11th, 2011, 01:14 PM
Nice guitar. But you should leave it shiny!

I might just do that, Eric. I don't know yet. I have a hard time seeing these as collectors' guitars, but look what happened with the pre-lawsuit Japanese LPs. I suppose it's possible. In that case, the Scotchbrite treatment all over would definitely decrease the value. Then again, I bought it for me and not as an investment. Whatever I decide to do will have to wait a while anyway, as I have enough on my plate right now that's ahead of this one.

progrmr
August 11th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Nice! I saw this brand in the local music go round this weekend but it was a strat style. It looked to be a nice guitar but I'm going through a only-a-single-cut-will-do phase so I didn't play it.

Congrats! Glad to hear it's a good player. Great price, nice weight. How's the tone?

Spudman
August 11th, 2011, 03:51 PM
I do like the color quite a bit. The dark around the edge seems to work nicely. Congrats on your new LP.

So...what do you call a happy Roman? answer: (the brand name of your guitar). Think about it for a bit. It's sort of funny. You might try a Cockney accent when you say it.

mapka
August 11th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Nice find Sean. I second Eric. Keep it shiny. I'm sure changing pups and tuners will fill your idle time (and hands)! :D

Robert
August 11th, 2011, 04:24 PM
Looks awesome! Congrats.

FrankenFretter
August 11th, 2011, 08:13 PM
Thanks, guys.


How's the tone?

The tone is good. The bridge has a nice bite to it, and the neck is fairly warm. I don't know much about the pups, but they seem decent. I'll be putting a Gibson 57 Classic in the neck, and I'm not sure what I'm doing with the bridge yet. There's nothing wrong with the Wilks, but I have this affliction. It doesn't allow me to keep things stock for very long. I'm in a support group, but they're all just enablers. I think I've seen a few of you there, in fact.


I'm sure changing pups and tuners will fill your idle time (and hands)!

True enough, Mark. I may leave the tuners. Besides the pickups and capacitors, I'll be replacing the dime-sized pots with full sized CTS pots. I just happen to have some CTS pots, but I would be just as happy with Alpha pots.

stingx
August 12th, 2011, 06:11 AM
Damn! I like the look of that guitar. Nice score.

marnold
August 13th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Judging from the subject, I would have thought that this guitar had been in a Turkish prison.

Katastrophe
August 13th, 2011, 05:40 PM
So, I'm reading this thread and I'm thinking about Turkish prison lines... then I get to marnold's post. D'oh! *facepalm* At least I read the whole thing through this time.

Congrats! It is a beauty of a guitar. Sucks about the damage around the strap button, though.

FrankenFretter
August 16th, 2011, 05:17 PM
Well, I ordered a Sin custom bridge pickup for this guitar, which I'll put in along with the 57 Classic. I do like the Wilkinsons, though. I'm sure I'll find something to put them in eventually. The more I play this, the more I dig the beefier neck. I'm not getting rid of my thinner necked guitars, but I do like this '59 profile. I won't have any time to work on this for a while, but I'm not unhappy with it just the way it is in stock form. I don't think I'll be doing any Scotchbriting to this, other than the back of the neck.

MAXIFUNK
August 16th, 2011, 06:22 PM
Looks cool Enjoy.