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Dreadman
February 25th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Several months back I built a fairly good quality Strat and ended up learning how to make waterslide decals (for the headstock). It's not hard at all and it's a nice personal touch when building your own instrument. A quick internet search turned up plenty of info on the basics but I learned a bit more from some trial and error.

If you don't know already, waterslide decals are the type of decals that come with some plastic model car kits. They're clear (except for the printing) and very thin so with a couple clear coats the edges disappear and it looks like a factory job.

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Supplies:

Waterslide decal paper - can be found at any office supply store in packs of ten 8.5"x11" sheets or more. Lesser quantities can be found on ebay for short dough.

Graphics software - This can be as simple or complex as you have. I use a CAD program for work (computer aided drawing) and that has every conceivable option. Anything you can design and print with will work though. Even the Notepad program that's on every PC.

Printer - This will focus on inkjet printing but I believe there is waterslide paper that works with laser printing. The supreme printer is (I forget the name) the very expensive type that can use metallic ink cartridges. These run in the $500-$2000 price range and are the only way to get real silvers and golds (like many guitar manufacturers use). You can kind of fake it with an inkjet though.

I guess scissors and a shallow water pan are the only other things.

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Design

First you design your decal. For mine (shown below) I imported a photo of a Fender headstock logo into the CAD program (for reference) and carefully drew an exact replica. From there I changed it up a bit for personal preference. Once I had the design the way I wanted it I did a test printing on paper to see the actual size. I cut the test logo out and placed it on the headstock, then printed and checked it a couple more times until it was just right.

I'd say just play around in what ever program you use, you'll probably come up with some clever ways for getting what you want.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/MyHeadstockLogo.jpg
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Printing

You may need to print a few, making color adjustments as you go. The waterslide paper is clear but it's on a (temporary) white paper backer so the printed colors will appear brighter than when the decal is over wood or paint. You can avoid wasting decal paper by printing a whole line of variations from left to right before cutting the sheet. That way you can print on the sheet again, as it will have straight ends. I did about four logos with different shades of gray (to mimic the silver in Fenders logo) across the sheet then cut out and test applied each one. The third darkest was the best match so I printed another row of four, this time all of them in the shade I liked. I figured it would be good to have extras.

I found out the hard way that inkjet ink runs when wet with any kind of solvent, including lacquer clear coat. I figured out that two or three VERY light dust coats of clear lacquer over the decal about ten minutes apart sealed the ink in very well. It could easily be lacquered over with the guitars final finish coat.

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Installing

First thing is that wherever the decal is going should be clear coated or painted. You don't want to put a decal directly on wood. The decal should be the last thing in the finish layers before final clear coating. In my case I put it over the final satin clear coat so I can change it later if desired. It's not as durable but that doesn't bother me.

Cut out your printed and clear coated waterslide decals and cut them with as little extra material left on as possible. I was able to stay within about 1/16" of the printing all around. Don't leave long, thin areas though (like the bottom of the "F" or top of the "d" above). Leave a little material around them so they don't fold and twist like plastic wrap always seems to do.

Put the decal in a shallow pan of warm water for a minute or two. While it's soaking clean the surface it's going on. I use rubbing alcohol on a soft cotton rag or lint-free paper towel. When the decals paper backer is loose enough that you can start to slide the decal put the whole thing on your headstock, hold the decal with a finger tip and slide the backer out from under it. Position it just how you like it, press it in place a bit then dab it dry with a lint-free paper towel or cotton rag.

By the next day it's more than dry enough to clear coat over.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/Picture072.jpg

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Final step

Grab a beer and your digital camera - show us how it came out.

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If anyone's got a project and would like some decals without going through all that just ask me. No charge. (no full-on copyright infringement though)

Dreadman
February 25th, 2008, 11:55 PM
Here are a few shots of the Strat-O-Killer, actually taken before the logo was put on. No real bearing on this thread, I'm just a little proud of her. :D

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/Stratokiller1.jpghttp://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/Stratokiller3.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/Picture016.jpg

oldguy
February 26th, 2008, 12:03 AM
Very good info, extremely nice Strat build! :AOK:
Thanks for posting both.:beer:
I especially like the woodgrain on that body, btw......nice!:)

M29
February 26th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Thanks Dreadman this will be very helpful. Is that a one piece body on your Strat? It looks like it. That is one sweet Strat:AOK:

M29

Rocket
February 26th, 2008, 12:35 AM
I like it... a lot!

Now build me a similar ultralight tele.

Dreadman
February 26th, 2008, 01:07 AM
Thanks OG. I think everyone appreciates a nice piece of ash. :)

M29 - It's an '02 Fender USA Deluxe body and it's actually two pieces. Good seam though, even on the back.

I'll build ya a Tele Rocket. Say the word.

Rocket
February 26th, 2008, 02:22 AM
I'll build ya a Tele Rocket. Say the word.
Hit my inbox.
I'll do a little research (options/choices)... regardless, it would have to be lightweight (chambered maybe) and 24-3/4" scale.
Maybe you can lay out a DIY scratch-build thread with it.

Dreadman
February 26th, 2008, 03:53 AM
Email sent

Katastrophe
February 26th, 2008, 05:49 AM
Dreadman, that's one nice Strat you have there. Can you tell us more about the tuners and nut? It looks like you have a roller nut on there. Did you install it?

mrmudcat
February 26th, 2008, 06:00 AM
Wow Dread nice ash :bootyshake: :beer:

Hey let me know if I can help or donate parts for Rockets tele!!!!!:master:

magoo
February 26th, 2008, 06:39 AM
DREAD.....:master: :master: :master: :master:

tot_Ou_tard
February 26th, 2008, 06:55 AM
Spectacular Strat Dread!

Thanks for the instructions, I'm sure that someone here will put them to good use!

Dreadman
February 26th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Dreadman, that's one nice Strat you have there. Can you tell us more about the tuners and nut? It looks like you have a roller nut on there. Did you install it?The tuners are Schaller lockers (love 'em) and the nut is an LSR roller. My goal with this guitar was to closely reproduce a Strat Plus that blew me away many years ago. I did have to re-cut the nut slot for the LSR, as it's wider than a regular nut. Pretty easy to do it accurately with a milling machine available.

Here are the general specs:

Warmoth neck - 10"-16" compound radius, Jumbo frets
Schaller/Fender locking tuners
LSR roller nut
Fender American Standard bridge (2 screw type)
Fender American Deluxe body (2002) - Butterscotch Blonde stain w/clearcoat
Lace Sensor Gold pickups (6k, 6k, 13.2k)

Katastrophe
February 26th, 2008, 04:02 PM
I wondered why there didn't appear to be any strings wrapped around the post. Figured they were lockers, but I'd never seen 'em before. That LSR nut sure looks interesting to me... I think I know someone with the proper equipment to cut that slot. I'm sure not gonna do it, as I like my guitar neck and fingers quite a bit.

ted s
February 26th, 2008, 04:06 PM
Looks great Dread !

strumsalot
February 26th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Thanks for the post Dread. I'll be using this in the near future for sure.:bravo:

Great looking strat.

duhvoodooman
February 27th, 2008, 01:46 PM
Good set of instructions, Dread. I use waterslides on all my homemade pedals--they work great. Like anything, the quality of the results you get at the end is generally a direct reflection of the degree of planning upfront and the care taken in execution.

For anyone planning to use this method, be aware that light color graphics on decals over a dark background usually come out poor to worthless. Stick with dark graphics on a light-to-medium color surface and you'll probably be pleased with the outcome. The other thing you can do when decaling a dark surface is print to special white substrate decal paper, and then cut the decal out to the desired shape.

I've only used the inkjet type decal paper so far, and even with careful clearcoating before the water-soak, you can tend to get a little bleeding, but you usually have to look pretty closely to see it. I just ordered some laserjet decal paper for the first time, so I can try printing some decals on one of the color laser printers here where I work. Anxious to see how they look vs. the inkjet type.

Dreadman
February 27th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Good info DVM. I forgot that water caused some bleeding too.

Ya know what's funny? I've been wondering how you labeled the pedals. They looked too good to be waterslide and I figured you were into silk screning. LOL

duhvoodooman
February 27th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Ya know what's funny? I've been wondering how you labeled the pedals. They looked too good to be waterslide and I figured you were into silk screning. LOL
Well, mediocre photography can hide a multitude of sins! ;) :D

kerc
February 27th, 2008, 04:56 PM
Make sure your graphics have at least a 300dpi resolution...

robert_the_rocker
July 18th, 2008, 06:12 PM
So whaddo I do when there's actually some font that I wanna put my decal over? I have an epi LP, and It says it right there on the Headstock. I wanna cancel out Les Paul's Signature and make something cool. I know. Kind of a plan, huh?

:beavisnbutthead:

warren0728
July 18th, 2008, 06:48 PM
I wanna cancel out Les Paul's Signature and make something cool.
:eek: les paul is the man....thanks to him you have solid body electric guitars...multitrack recording, etc. that's pretty cool!

ww

robert_the_rocker
July 19th, 2008, 10:14 AM
Well yeah, I know, but, I don't really like how he writes his name on his guitar. I really do wanna make something cool there. I know he's amazing, but...It's like the Zakk Wylde FX pedal. he's cool and all, but, I don't want his signature on it...

:eek:

robert_the_rocker
July 19th, 2008, 01:30 PM
:dude: :rockon: :dude:

Andy
October 30th, 2008, 05:07 PM
The supreme printer is (I forget the name) the very expensive type that can use metallic ink cartridges. These run in the $500-$2000 price range and are the only way to get real silvers and golds (like many guitar manufacturers use). You can kind of fake it with an inkjet though.

I have 2 of these printers (Alps) and have been in the decal business for about 5 years so if anyone needs decals with any color including white ,silver,gold let me know.
also if you need a decal for a dark background ,I can underlay the image with white first so the decal is opaque. I work with illustrator files but almost any file will do. I can also work from ideas and create the design/font if needed.

I don't have enough time right now to "open shop" fulltime but have no problem creating decals for the members here, as a way of saying thanks for the great company.

thanks ,Andy

bigoldron
November 27th, 2008, 10:04 PM
I have 2 of these printers (Alps) and have been in the decal business for about 5 years so if anyone needs decals with any color including white ,silver,gold let me know.
also if you need a decal for a dark background ,I can underlay the image with white first so the decal is opaque. I work with illustrator files but almost any file will do. I can also work from ideas and create the design/font if needed.

I don't have enough time right now to "open shop" fulltime but have no problem creating decals for the members here, as a way of saying thanks for the great company.

thanks ,Andy

Andy, I've got a Squier Strat that one of the previous owners removed the headstock decals on. Could you possibly make me a decal for the headstock? I was thinking something along the lines of "Fender Strat-O-Blaster" or something similar. It may have started as a Squier, but it's going to be a lot better by the time I'm through with it.

If you can do it, what would you charge? I'd be glad to pay you for your time. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. :AOK:

Andy
November 27th, 2008, 11:16 PM
No problem,I have to reload some software from a bug I picked lately than I'll just offer a whole sheet of the "Fender style" logos, (because there are so many possible variations).ofcourse I can create whatever wording someone may like.

With all the strat builds people are doing ,I've already had a few requests.
I'll post some examples when it's ready. I figure $10-$15 range for a set

Andy
November 27th, 2008, 11:22 PM
So whaddo I do when there's actually some font that I wanna put my decal over? I have an epi LP, and It says it right there on the Headstock. I wanna cancel out Les Paul's Signature and make something cool. I know. Kind of a plan, huh?

:beavisnbutthead:

The signature is under a clearcoat ,It would be hard to cover over without ..looking cheap like a sticker.
to do it right you would have to sand the headstock, repaint it, apply decal(s) ,than clearcoat. thats alot of effort.
But,If you decide to go thru with it I'll make you a decal

Andy
December 4th, 2008, 12:32 PM
I finaly ran a low quality test print today, is this something that would fit the bill? I can also change any of the colors ect..( Like purple Fender..hehe) or ofcourse gold to silver.
I intentionaly missplaced the "F" for the test print.
I won't do exact copys of the real thing, for example I can make the "F" correct and change "stratocaster" to "stratoblaster" or something along those lines.

also if anyone is needing a different decal/logo/effects box decals...let me know.I also do vinyl and custom vinyl masking for those guitar painting projects.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/stymye/Les%20Paul/fendertest1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/stymye/Les%20Paul/fendertest2.jpg

ShortBuSX
December 6th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Man Andy, those look great :AOK:
But I'll no longer need your services...Id planned on buying an Allparts neck for my partscaster, but instead I scored a Jimmy Vaughan neck at a great price...so I wont be needing the graffic wed spoke about previously, sorry.

Andy
December 6th, 2008, 10:45 AM
ShortbusX- thats cool no problem.

bigoldron
December 21st, 2008, 02:30 PM
Here's an example of how good Andy's decals look:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd81/bigoldron/Squier014.jpg

Andy did a great job, if it's positioned wrong or not quite the right size, then blame that on me. I think Andy did a GREAT job! If anybody needs a good replacement decal, then Andy is da man!!! :AOK:

Andy
December 22nd, 2008, 09:38 AM
Great job with the decal , you made it It blend in beautifully !!
Did you find it easy enough to work with?

:AOK:

bigoldron
December 22nd, 2008, 06:37 PM
Great job with the decal , you made it It blend in beautifully !!
Did you find it easy enough to work with?

:AOK:

Not too bad, 'course I screwed up the first one. So, this is the second attempt. I let the first one curl up by pulling off instead of sliding it directly off the backing onto the head. It was fairly easy though.

I put a couple of coats of clear on the head first, using a 0000 grade steel wool to smooth it out between coats and before I applied the decal. I then put 3 light coats of clear on top of the decal, again lightly smoothing it with the steel wool after each clear coat. This also helped to blend in the decal area with the original finish. Overall, I'm pleased! Good work Andy! :AOK:

Bobbo
March 20th, 2009, 02:54 PM
What about PAF decals ?

Kineticartist
June 22nd, 2009, 10:23 AM
I have 2 of these printers (Alps) and have been in the decal business for about 5 years so if anyone needs decals with any color including white ,silver,gold let me know.
also if you need a decal for a dark background ,I can underlay the image with white first so the decal is opaque. I work with illustrator files but almost any file will do. I can also work from ideas and create the design/font if needed.

I don't have enough time right now to "open shop" fulltime but have no problem creating decals for the members here, as a way of saying thanks for the great company.

thanks ,Andy

Hey Andy!
Ok My first post here I found this excellent forum by googlilng for ALPs printing of decals and found this post. Im a Graphic Designer/Drummer and I have a client who has commisioned me to create some graphics for her Bass and I had planned on creating waterslide decals of the art which I have done in the past but as we all know without a white underlay the decal art wont "POP" if the body color is too dark. Her paint color isnt all that dark but the graphic is prety light and Im looking for someone who can print the art out on decal paper with a white underlay using an ALPS printer

Im interested to know if you still do this and how much would you charge? The art is 300DPI and 10.313" x 10.113"

See the attached photo:

BrettS
June 27th, 2009, 10:10 PM
I will do this someday! Thanks so much, you guys, for the thread w/great instructions!
(p.s. I jes' do not like bare headstocks, there's always room for a tongue-in-cheek, DIY logo)!

grave89
December 15th, 2009, 08:49 PM
Here are a few shots of the Strat-O-Killer, actually taken before the logo was put on. No real bearing on this thread, I'm just a little proud of her. :D

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/Stratokiller1.jpghttp://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/Stratokiller3.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/phobuk/My%20Guitars/Picture016.jpg

they are really great!! I like them!!

epi0205
January 1st, 2010, 04:45 PM
Real good job Andy! :AOK
An ol' screenprinter from way back here too...
The registration looks real good!:cool:

houseoo
September 7th, 2011, 07:22 PM
I just found this site, www.decalfish.com Is this website has right decal papers? I need to restore 72 hendrix strat and need decal for her.

rumblejet
December 6th, 2012, 08:34 AM
Great post Dreadman, Love your logo's! I spent years building scale models so i got good at working with decals.

An Xacto-knife works well in small areas that scissors can't get, also I'm not sure but hobby stores might have the kind of paper you used.

yuominae
December 28th, 2014, 06:30 PM
Wow, couldn't believe it when I saw this thread. I'd been wondering about just that lately. Thanks for all the info!