My first cab build

[luvmyshiner]

Well, I received my 12" Veteran 30 from Warehouse Guitar Speakers last week (thanks for the heads up DVM), and speaker grill cloth courtesy of simplyspeakers.com (a place Strum found awhile back, nice folks, fast shipping but a little high on the postage and handling).

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So last week I did a lot of research on the fret and elsewhere regarding speaker cabinets. Found a LOT of information on what type of wood should be used, dovetail joints vs. finger joints., open back vs. closed back vs. partially open back, etc. Last night I finally chunked it, came up with a plan, and decided just to build the dang thing. I figure any mistakes I make will be lessons learned for the next build.

I haven't worked out in my shop for awhile, but my son has, so needless to say I spent the first hour just cleaning the place. If you think it looks bad now, you should have seen it before.

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I'm planning on using some of this big chunk of mahogany to frame out the front and add a little bling. I'll probably use mahogany to bung the screw holes as well (heh, heh, I love the word "bung").

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I decided to use 1" cabinet grade ash plywood because I had it left over from another project, and I'm cheap.

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I cut out my blanks, then cut the sides, top and bottom to join at a 45 degree angle. I didn't want to dovetail or finger joint it because it's plywood, and I figure I'll just brace the heck out of the thing to make up for any weaknesses. I also angled the front of the cab to project up slightly at a 5 degree angle. After getting those parts cut I did a little test fit:

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Oh, CB took a couple of shots of me hard at work, heh, heh. Oh, and LEGAL DISCLAIMER!!!! I remove the safety gear from most of my power tools because it tends to get in the way of precision work. I AM A COMPLETE IDIOT WHO HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING AND NO ONE ELSE SHOULD EVEN CONSIDER DOING THIS JUST BECAUSE I DO. If you lose fingers, toes, appendages, appetite or anything else by emulating this practice, it's your own damn fault.

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Next I broke out the "dado of death". This thing always makes me nervous because I've never found a dado insert that fits my table saw, so I have to be careful.

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I dadoed (is that word?) a slot for the speaker panel to fit in the sides and top.

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Then I went to work on the speaker panel. I couldn't find my compass (so I cussed the boy) couldn't even find a piece of string to do the old "tie the string to a nail and pencil" trick. So finally I made a template out of newspaper, checked it against the speaker, and transferred it to the speaker panel.

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After being so proud of myself for my ingenuity, I found my compass and went back and did it right.

[luvmyshiner]

Finally, I did a quick test fit of all the pieces just to make sure everything was ok.

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Tomorrow I'm planning on cutting the braces, doing a test assemble, then pulling it apart to glue and screw the crap out of everything. I don't want this thing rattling when CB starts jamming.:rockon:

I'm also planning on making the back in two removable pieces so I can play around with the whole open back, closed back, and partial back thing.

If everything goes well tomorrow, I'll start finishing it next weekend. I'm just going with a natural finish to show off the mahogany bling.

[just strum]

Very good:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

You are an old hand out in the shop. Looks like a pretty cool project and coming along nicely. I assume you made it safely through the "dado of death" portion or are you looking for a pair of three finger gloves? When I was actively doing woodworking, my fear was the radial arm saw. Loved the tool, but the stories scared the crap out of me.

Great pictures to go along with the project.

This should be a great thread as you progress.

[Dreadman]

Cool project Shiner, great pics too.

You must have had a neighbor or someone over to watch. I KNOW those aren't your smokes. LOL

[Robert]

That is a great post! Thanks so much for posting this. It's so valuable to have photos describing the process.

[luvmyshiner]

Heh, heh, thanks guys. It's been so long since I've worked out in the shop (read that "garage" even though it's never had a car in it) that I just took my time and enjoyed it. And the weather was perfect. Low to middle 70's all day. Just opened the garage door, cranked up some tunes, and had a great time.

Strum, I survived the dado of death . . . this time.:saw:

Dread, yeah . . . about that. I'll quit smoking when you do brother.:beer:

Thanks Robert. It's been a blast and CB helped me out with the pics.

[ted s]

Right on Shiner !, nice layout you have. Maybe next project = guitar ?

[sunvalleylaw]

Fellow lawyer dude, my favorite part is the lawyer loafers being recycled as shop shoes. LOL!!!!! Nice thread!! I have some tools, and know just enough to be dangerous. This is a project I might try some day. Reminds me of my friends building "Speakerlab" kit type speakers back in the 70's.

[tot_Ou_tard]

Fellow lawyer dude, my favorite part is the lawyer loafers being recycled as shop shoes. LOL!!!!!

I'm beginning to think that Sun has a footwear fetish ;).

Man, I admire those with woodworking skills. If I tried that it would've taken a week, 40,000 cusswords (several thousand of which would've been newly minted for the occaision), & the d@mn thing would lean sideways & fall apart as soon as the first power chord was played.

[Adrian30]

Shiner,
thanks for posting this!

[oldguy]

Nice post, Shiner!
Good project, pics, and descriptions.
Thanks for taking the time to share it.

[mrmudcat]

Have you decided if your mounting the speaker from the front or the back.They make these inserts with bolts that work way better than say wood screws.Also easy for swapping/trying new speakers out.On the back im not sure if you intend on 2 pieces being removable or just one piece.If you make both pieces removable with a third piece in the middle permately mounted so you can mount the speaker jack you can then try different positions (both panels off/on ,top off bottom on ,bottom off top on).Hope this makes sense.

Of course if you just have the top removable you can mount the jack on the bottom section. Id also use the bolt inserts for these panels after awhile if you use screws of course the holes will become unusable.Last id make the grill cloth panel removable also with tabs of velcro if your mounting from the front.Not sure if im articulate enough to describe in detail whats in my mind but hopefully you can take a bit or two from my reply:AOK:

[luvmyshiner]

Thanks for reading y'all, I'm glad you're enjoying the thread.

Ted, once I get the cab finished my next project will be the firefly build. I've given some thought to a guitar build, but I've always thought about building an acoustic. And I know from a thread Dread posted over on Washburn awhile back that it's a difficult time consuming build. Perhaps it would be best if I started off with an electric build. I had not considered it, but I think I will.

Steve, heh, heh, glad you like the shoes. Like I said, I'm cheap. Everything in my house gets used and recycled till it falls apart, including me.:cry:

Mud, I'm planning on front mounting the speaker, because frankly it looked easier. I took into account the depth of the speaker lip, as well as the depth of the grill panel and velcro to attach it, when determining the set back of the speaker panel.:AOK: I hadn't considered using bolts, but I like the idea and fortunately I'm early enough in the build that I can accommodate that change.

My thought on the back panels was to have both panels removable, with a hole cut at the base of the bottom panel. I was going to mount a piece of wood on the bottom of the cab, behind the hole in the bottom panel, for the speaker jack. Again, I hadn't considered using bolts, but I like the idea and will probably go that direction.

[sunvalleylaw]

My old khakis are yard work/chore pants, (got that one from my Dad), and I wear old long sleeve shirts for the same thing when i need sleeves. Haven't gone so far as to wear my old Navy blazers as a bathrobe or skiing or anything yet. ;-)

[ted s]

What do you guys do with the puffy white wigs ?

[luvmyshiner]

What do you guys do with the puffy white wigs ?

We mail those to Strum. Lord only knows what he does with them, but he seems to enjoy them.:messedup: :eek:

[just strum]

We mail those to Strum. Lord only knows what he does with them, but he seems to enjoy them.:messedup: :eek:

Boy, I'm glad you posted that. I'm almost done with the project and I'm running short - send some more up to Ohio or down for those in Canada.

[sunvalleylaw]

I make jackalope decoys for hunting.

[luvmyshiner]

Well, I didn't get as much done on the project today as I had hoped, but that's ok. Both of the kids called and I would much rather spend time visiting with them, plus I had couple of "honey do's" to take care of. Like I always say, however much time you think a project will take, multiply by ten.

I did manage to get the braces cut and checked for square.

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I hoped to use a little bit bigger braces, but I had to go with the scrap wood I had available. I also managed to get the braces positions marked as well as the pilot holes marked for the screws.

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So that's where we are. I'll have more for y'all next weekend.

[just strum]

You skipped over the pictures of you cutting down the trees to get the wood.

[luvmyshiner]

You skipped over the pictures of you cutting down the trees to get the wood.

I'm not that cheap.:mad: I stole it from the neighbors fence last night while they were sleeping.:beer:

[Algonquin]

Impressive work Shiner! I'm sure it's going to turn out great.
:beer:

[duhvoodooman]

Very nice, Shiner. :AOK: I wish I had your woodworking skills & equipment! Looking forward to seeing how it looks "together"....

[bigoldron]

Looking good, Shiner! I was considering building a cabinet of my own, but I fell into a deal on a 4x12 in good condition. I still might make a 2x12 later on, but not for a while. I'm one of those guys who likes to pretend he's good with woodworking... :whatever: :messedup:

[luvmyshiner]

Thanks for the kind words y'all. It got cold last night so it may be a few days before I get back into the shop, but I'm really looking forward to getting her together and starting the finish work.

[ted s]

It got cold ? phhff.. Texas cold ? what's that, 65 ?
Lightweights.. ;)

[just strum]

It got cold ? phhff.. Texas cold ? what's that, 65 ?
Lightweights.. ;)

We hit 61, maybe a little warmer here in the Cleveland area today.

[luvmyshiner]

It got cold ? phhff.. Texas cold ? what's that, 65 ?
Lightweights.. ;)

Oh no! It's down to 42!:D Might have to break out the thermal underwear tomorrow.:rotflmao:

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[M29]

Yikes on the underwear dudes:eek:


Nice work there luvmyshiner:AOK:

M29

[Dreadman]

That's Shiner's graduation pic from law school. Yeah, they do things a little different in Texas.:D

[ted s]

I always wanted underwear like that, I'll pass on the shoes though.

[luvmyshiner]

Heh, heh, I'm relatively sure that tomorrow I'll be able to come up with all sorts of witty comebacks to y'all. But tonight, I'm just a tired old man who had one helluva Monday (do we have a full moon tonight by any chance???).

[magoo]

Great work Shiner, :bravo: But I have to ask...How many beer ya drink wild doing this project????:beer:

[luvmyshiner]

Call me crazy Magoo, but I tend to wait till I'm finished working with things that can remove fingers before I start drinking beer.:D But as soon as I'm done, I go wild.:beer: :beer:

[just strum]

Call me crazy Magoo, but I tend to wait till I'm finished working with things that can remove fingers before I start drinking beer.:D But as soon as I'm done, I go wild.:beer: :beer:

He's probably is assuming you were drinking by the clothes you were wearing.

[Kazz]

I love the wheels on the bottom of the table saw....I think I see a locking mechanism there for safety right?

Glad dread pointed out the smokes.....damn Texican lawyers smoking Marlboro Light 100's.....girlie cigarettes LMAO.

Shiner as always your work is exemplary but I have to ask....since you were going the cabinet route....why did you not at least go 2x12?

I have got to get myself a small table saw like that...I would love to build my own half stack.

[luvmyshiner]

Yup Kazz, I built the dolly to make it easier to move the table saw. Since my shop is small, it's convenient to be able to move it around or move it out of the way. And the wheels do have locking mechanisms on them so the saw doesn't move while I'm using it.

Since this is my first cab build, and basically a learning project, I decided to keep it small. I may build something larger down the road.

[luvmyshiner]

Well, with my son in town this weekend I didn't get the chance to work on my project much. But that's ok, we had a great time. I did get out in the shop this afternoon though. First I drilled pilot holes and assembled everything. I numbered all the braces with corresponding numbers on the cab so I could fit everything together properly later.

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Then I tore everything down, and drilled recess holes to hide the screws (I'm a big fan of hiding screws).

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Then everything got glued and screwed, wiping off any excess glue with a wet paper towel.

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Next I put the bung hole bit on the drill and cut my bungs, heh, heh.:beavisnbutthead:

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You break them out with a screwdriver, and you have these sweet little . . . um . . . bungs.

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[luvmyshiner]

Next you put a drop of glue in each recessed hole, spread it around, and tap the bung in. If you're really obsessive, and I am, you try to orient the grain of the bung with the grain of the piece you're working on.

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This is what you end up with.

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After the glue dries, I'll trim them down with a sharp chisel, then sand them flat. I'm hoping the mahogany bungs will make a nice accent against the ash.

[tunghaichuan]

Looking good, Shiner :AOK:

Thanks for the tutorial.

tung

[luvmyshiner]

Thanks Tung. I've really enjoyed getting out in the shop again.

[just strum]

Dang Shiner, this is really impressive. Nice job and nice progress photos.

Hell, if this lawyer thing doesn't pan out, you can open a bung store to fit all size bung holes.

"Shiner's Bung Emporium" no bung hole too big that we can't plug.

[warren0728]

looking great shiner...can't wait to see the finished project! :dude:

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[Kazz]

Shiner....in the event that CB is wailing away on her new Electric Guitfiddle....and creates a rattle......in her shake rattle and roll....how do you remove the glued bungs from the bungholes to tighten up the screws that are holding together the cabinet that Shiner built?


WOW what a sentence.

[luvmyshiner]

"Shiner's Bung Emporium" no bung hole too big that we can't plug.

Heh, heh, unfortunately that's just not true Strum, and you know it. We've both worked with bung holes that were to big to be plugged.:D

Thanks Warren. I'm kinda lookin' forward to the finished product myself.


Shiner....in the event that CB is wailing away on her new Electric Guitfiddle....and creates a rattle......in her shake rattle and roll....how do you remove the glued bungs from the bungholes to tighten up the screws that are holding together the cabinet that Shiner built?


WOW what a sentence.

Heh, heh, I'm hoping I've glued and screwed that thing enough that I won't ever have to worry about it. To remove the bungs you have to use a sharp, small chisel to split the bung and scrape it out. Usually you have to clean everything out with a razor blade. Then after you replace the bung, you have to repair the finish. It's not a very easy process and for all practical purposes a bung is a pretty permanent process. But by glueing the screw threads a little bit before they go in, the chances of them working loose are pretty minimal. Hopefully the speaker will give out before the cab.

[Kazz]

I really envy your work Shiner.....and am really wishing I had a table saw now to do this myself.....I would love to do a nice 2x12 with Greenback Celestians in it.

[luvmyshiner]

Kazz, for years my table saw was an inexpensive little Sears Craftsman contractors saw. I had to be very careful with it because it had accuracy problems. I would set the fence, and then measure from the front of the blade to the fence, and from the back of the blade to the fence, and invariably had to make adjustments. But I cut my teeth on that thing and learned a lot. Unfortunately I made the mistake of lending it to a friend who left it out in the rain.:cry: Lesson learned.

When I bought this saw I knew I wanted to step up in quality. It is by no means what could be considered higher end, but I love it. When I set the fence, the distance is the same from the front of the saw blade to the back. I still measure out of habit, but I've never had to make any adjustments.

Also, it doubles as a great work surface.:rotflmao:

[Kazz]

Yeah....I have been thinking about buying one for years...I have a huge shop...it is almost as big as our house. We have 4 cars in it and still have plenty of space to work....I bought this house only because of that garage....

I took word working classes in highschool and have spent my share of time on good quality table saws, joiners and planers.....I love working with my hands. To soothe that need over the last 10 years or so I have been refinishing old furniture. Right now we have an antique letter desk out in the shop that I am waiting on warm weather to arrive so I can begin that project....idiot who owned it cut part of the top off and drilled holes in the back so they could use it as a computer desk. I will make sure to post before during and after photos of that one...I am going to replace the work surface, part of the back and the top and refinish as close to original as I can get.

I will probably end up getting a table saw this year either for my big birthday present in September or for Christmas....last year I got myself the Ryobi 18 volt tool set, and a compound mitre saw. Got to have a good mitre saw when you have to redo all the trim work in the house.

That dado head can save you alot of extra work when creating rabbit joints.

I just love watching the New Yankee Workshop and This Old House series on PBS....I get alot of ideas from those shows.

[luvmyshiner]

Welcome to this weeks edition of "When is Shiner going to finish this damn cab build already".

Yesterday I trimmed the bungs (heh, heh), taped off the cab and spray painted the inside black.

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I also went ahead and cut down the mahogany to frame out the cab, I cut the mahogany a little wider then the ash with the intention of sanding them flush.

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Each strip got hit with a quick sanding (50 grit) on the side to be attached to the cab to get rid of the blade marks and give me a flat surface. I also gave the cab surfaces where the mahogany will be attached a quick sanding. Today I started framing out the cab. I had hoped to avoid the use of finish nails, but it quickly became apparent that I wasn't going to be able to do that if I wanted to finish this project sometime this year. Luckily I have one of these babies, worth every penny I spent on her.

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I wanted the finish nails to at least be aligned the same, so I measured for location, then with each subsequent side, I would transfer the marks using my speed square, an inexpensive tool that's also worth every penny.

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I worked my way around the box cutting and fastening each strip of mahogany before moving to the next. That way I made sure I had tight 45 degree angles. After each strip was cut, the surfaces to be mated were glued, then the strips were nailed to the cab, using a wet rag to wipe off any excess glue.

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I'm pretty happy with the way it's turning out.

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Next week I'll work on sanding everything, and maybe even have time to start varnishing. I'm planning on using a spar varnish. I'm a big fan because it is UV and water resistant, so if any of my fretter buddies set their beer on top of the cab I won't end up with one of those nasty rings!

[just strum]

Coming along very nice. I think you are making good progress considering there are other things that need to be done around the house. :AOK: :AOK: :AOK:

I purchased two nail guns and an air tank a few years ago and it's one of my favorite tools, except my wife keeps saying the nails hurt. I put in all new baseboards and framed all the doorways downstairs and I would never had tackled that job without my nail guns.

[luvmyshiner]

Air compressors are top notch Strum. I wish I had one fifteen years ago when I started building these, and ten years ago when I finally finished them:beer:

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[just strum]

Damn, you are a real handy man. Now I see why CB married you. For the last year and a half I believed you when you said you got her drunk and keep her drunk.

Nice work and I remember the wood couch:) in the other room where the guitar photos use to be taken.

You should show the folks the before picture

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Oh wait, that was the time I used your house while you were out of town and BG got upset because she wasn't invited, no I mean upset because of what I did to her parent's house.

[warren0728]

looking great shiner...nice photos and descriptions too! :bravo:

thanks :beer:

ww

[Kazz]

You built those cabinets Shiner? WOW.

[luvmyshiner]

Since it's been a couple of weeks since I got to work on the project, I wanted to give y'all a quick update on what I got done this weekend. Got the cab sanded, and went to work on the back. I had to add a couple of more braces due to the fact that I'm building a two part back.

Big thanks to Mrmudcat who suggested the use of these sweet little tee nuts to cut down on rattles and avoid the risk of stripping out the wood.

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After drilling a recess for the bolts, and shoring them up with washers for added strength, I can now use the cab with an open back, partially closed back, or a closed back.

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I also managed to cut down the piece for the speaker grill. Hopefully next weekend I'll finally get to put some varnish on her.

[ted s]

looking good Shiner :AOK:

[tot_Ou_tard]

What speaker are you going to use? Did you already mention that in this thread?

[luvmyshiner]

I'm using a 12" Veteran 30 from Warehouse Guitar Speakers which Voodoo suggested. It's a Celestion Vintage 30 clone for less than half the price.:D

[sunvalleylaw]

Looks great! I put my kid's swingset together using those T-nuts. It will be bomb proof. You can pick it up and toss it across the stage after you Townsend that D'Aquisto, and it will live to tell the tale! ;)

[mrmudcat]

Shiner the back looks great!!!!
:beer:
Whats the plan on a jack??

[Kazz]

Shiner....in the top and bottom holes on the back...do you have a spacer or something so the back pieces are solid at the corners? Just looking at the pictures it looks as if the middle would be braced against the 1 by (apprx) material but nothing in the corners which would cause that end of the back boards to vibrate pretty badly or be aligned improperly when torqued down.

[luvmyshiner]

Kazz, there are braces in all four corners that support the back. You can't seem them because they're painted black. If you look at one of the earlier pictures you can see them:

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Mud, I'm planning on mounting the jack at the bottom center flush with the back. Then I'll drill a hole through the back so it's accessible.

Steve, I gotta admit those little tee nuts are cool! I plan on utilizing them a lot more in future builds.

[sunvalleylaw]

Steve, I gotta admit those little tee nuts are cool! I plan on utilizing them a lot more in future builds.

Yeah, they sure seem tough. I have only seen them on the Costco swing set the kids have had for 8 or 9 years now. I have to tighten the bolts into them occasionally due to how hard the kids swing, but they help toughen up a structure basically built out of 2x4's and a few 4x4's and a 2x6 from which the swings hang. I don't think your cab will be having the torque applied to it like these kids do to the swing set. I had never considered using them somewhere else like in a cabinet. Cool!

[just strum]

It will be bomb proof. You can pick it up and toss it across the stage after you Townsend that D'Aquisto, and it will live to tell the tale! ;)

Oh, we will definitely need a video of that!!! I can see CB hiding her Tele as she reads this:D

[Childbride]

Oh, we will definitely need a video of that!!! I can see CB hiding her Tele as she reads this:D

:eek: :eek: :eek:

AAAAAHHHHH!!! where's my Precious?! :D

[warren0728]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

AAAAAHHHHH!!! where's my Precious?! :D
uummmm....it's over there....and over there....and a bit of it over there....and some of it over there! :poke: :rotflmao:

ww

[Childbride]

;) no, she's making quasi-ok music with me while i try to nail the timing on my lesson. she's very patient with me... and i would NEVER pull a townsend. :D

[warren0728]

i would NEVER pull a townsend. :D
it wasn't you we were worried about!

<cough> <cough>shiner<cough><cough> :rotflmao:

ww

[Childbride]

we never abuse each other's girls. there are repercussions. :D

we play nice in the sandbox. ;)

[warren0728]

we never abuse each other's girls. there are repercussions. :D
ok...we are bordering on too much information here! :eek:

<putting hands over ears and repeating la, la, la, la, la>

ww :D

[Kazz]

lmao Warren....lmao

I see them now Shiner....there is an optical illusion going on in that one photo where the black brace appears to be much lower than the side supports.

[luvmyshiner]

it wasn't you we were worried about!

<cough> <cough>shiner<cough><cough> :rotflmao:

ww

Heh, heh, I would never pull a Townsend with one of our guitars Warren. However, we are hooking up with Strumsalot at Pearl on Saturday . . . maybe I'll see if he has a spare.:D

:saw:

[sunvalleylaw]

There ya go. I was hoping for some kinda reaction out of you, Shiner, for that comment I made about your beautiful guitar. Just a lawyer ribbing lawyers. ;-)

[strumsalot]

Heh, heh, I would never pull a Townsend with one of our guitars Warren. However, we are hooking up with Strumsalot at Pearl on Saturday . . . maybe I'll see if he has a spare.:D

:saw:
Homey don't play that.:D

[luvmyshiner]

Homey don't play that.:D

Heh, heh, oh well. I wouldn't want to do that to a Washburn anyways. Maybe there'll be some of those pesky Martins or Taylors around we could try it out on Chad.:AOK:

[sunvalleylaw]

Heh, heh, oh well. I wouldn't want to do that to a Washburn anyways. Maybe there'll be some of those pesky Martins or Taylors around we could try it out on Chad.:AOK:


You could do it with one of these. . . .

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Washburn-Paul-Stanley-Dreadnought-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=515974 ;)

[luvmyshiner]

Hmmm, I see your point Steve. The only reason I can think of to buy one of those would be to pull a Townsend.:beer:

[tot_Ou_tard]

Don't worry CB & Chad,

Shiner can put the Washburn & Odyssey back together with tee nuts, lots & lots of tee nuts.

There's no guarantee however that the right pieces will go in the right place.

Or on the right guitar.

[luvmyshiner]

Well, even though I haven't posted in awhile, I didn't want y'all to think I had forgotten this project. So here's what I've managed to get done in the last few weeks. She has three coats of varnish on her now, with light sanding between each coat, 220 grit sandpaper. Tomorrow I'll complete the finish by buffing with 0000 steel wool, and finishing up with a coat of Johnson's Paste Wax. After that, any of my Fretter friends who want to set a beer on her can feel free.:beer:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P4250001.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P4250002.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P4250003.jpg

I also managed to finish the speaker grill. I used 1/4" plywood, cut the speaker hole out, spray painted it black, and then mounted the cloth with this "special grill cloth glue" which is actually nothing more than model airplane glue for those of us who are old enough to remember when that stuff could be purchased legally.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P4250005.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P4250006.jpg

In the process of building this thing, I realized it was going to end up being pretty heavy. With my back problems, I decided putting traditional "feet" on it probably wouldn't be a good idea. So I picked up some wheels which hopefully will make it easier to move around.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P4250004.jpg

I'm hoping I can install the speaker and finish everything up this weekend, which will mean . . . I CAN FINALLY GET STARTED ON MY FIREFLY AMPF!!:dude:

More updates on the way folks.

[Steve206]

Hey Shiner,,

I have been riding along and have to say that it is turning out very nicely.

Steve

[luvmyshiner]

Thanks Steve. I'm ready to wrap this one up and move on the amph! Break out the soldering irons.:bravo:

[warren0728]

that cab really looks great....bet it will sound good too with that firefly amp you are gonna build! :AOK:

ww

[ted s]

Looks great Shiner, I like the contrasts of the edging and plugs.
What are you going to do to fasten the speaker grill ?

[luvmyshiner]

Looks great Shiner, I like the contrasts of the edging and plugs.
What are you going to do to fasten the speaker grill ?

Hey Ted. I'm going to have to glue some spacers on to bring the grill out far enough to clear the speaker lip, but then I'll glue velcro on the spacers and grill so the grill will be removable. I have that "self-adhesive" velcro, but the "self-adhesive" never seems to work very well.:confused:

[sunvalleylaw]

Looks great Shiner!

[robert43]

Nicely done , with my Behringer BX1800 the verco is stapled on the unit & the front.
But then with the speaker front I made a new front with a steel grill with MDF spray painted matt black to match my sons amp that has a mesh front.
With both our amps I have put castors like your on the bottom & got rid of the silly top handel & installed black tool box handles on the side.
These handles are the type that fall down but go 1/2 way when pickup up. Much better idea when each unit weights 60 lb.

[Simon]

Just a thought - wheels on one side and some kind of feet on the other? Then you can drag it along at an angle, but it will stay put when you play on 10...! (Unless you will have to stoop too much to be comfortable, that's not good for your back either)

[Kazz]

Shiner....2 things to point out....

Left and right panels....the oh I forget what you called them....the deals you are using to cover up the fasteners.....which you have stained to match the trim pieces....for aesthetics you may consider putting another one in the back so everything is balanced appearance wise.

like this http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u132/sarrkazztic/random/shinecabreva.jpg


Also....if I were you...I would seriously consider not using those 4 wheels...I would get a set of locking wheels so when you are playing with it, you can lock it in place....the vibrations of heavy playing will make the current wheels walk all over the place.

[Kazz]

Forgot to say....she looks fantastic......your carpentry skills are amazing.

[Katastrophe]

Shiner, with your talent, you should build the amph, then tackle a build your own solidbody guitar project. It would be way cool to have an entire rig that YOU created!

You could install a "church key" for those necessary Shiner breaks while playing.

[luvmyshiner]

Thanks for all the kind words y'all. Kat, lately I have been giving a lot of thought to building a guit. I've always been fascinated by the idea, but I've always looked at building an acoustic, and never felt like I could pull it off. But I think starting with a solid body electric might be the way to go. I think it might be a good first project that I could learn a lot on.

By the way, I like the church key idea :master: , but I think you just showed your age brother. My kids have no idea what a church key is.:thwap:

[Kazz]

<----Ole Kazz knows what a church key is....I think I have a couple of them out in the garage :-)

[duhvoodooman]

Man, that turned out sweet, Shiner--I knew it would. I wish I had 1/10 of your woodworking skills! :bravo: :master:

[Katastrophe]

By the way, I like the church key idea :master: , but I think you just showed your age brother. My kids have no idea what a church key is.:thwap:

Yep, I'm definitely old enough to remember the proper use for a church key, and pop tops, too.;) :beer:

You'll have to educate the kids on a little vital Texas history, when men were men and there were no twist off beer tops. The edge of a boot heel could work quite well in a pinch when no church keys were available.:D

Sorta kinda back on topic, you know there are acoustic kits available where all the major work has been done, like these:http://www.bluescreekguitars.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1&zenid=c666d428746e311d69d06264b4430031

[tot_Ou_tard]

I'm 47 & have never heard the term church key in my life. I just googled it & it refers to a bottle opener.

Is this regional slang or are you guys ancient? ;)

[luvmyshiner]

Is this regional slang or are you guys ancient? ;)

Probably a little bit of both Tot.:AOK:

[marnold]

I'm 47 & have never heard the term church key in my life. I just googled it & it refers to a bottle opener.
Speaking on behalf of clergy, I've used that term as long as I can remember but have no idea where it came from.

[just strum]

Speaking on behalf of clergy, I've used that term as long as I can remember but have no idea where it came from.

Not sure of the accuracy, but here's one thought.

http://www.just-for-openers.org/Church-Key.html

Sorry Shiner, my bad - http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/auroraohio/offtopic.gif

[luvmyshiner]

Not sure of the accuracy, but here's one thought.

http://www.just-for-openers.org/Church-Key.html

Sorry Shiner, my bad - http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/auroraohio/offtopic.gif

No apology needed Strum. You know I'm the worst when it comes to going off topic.:beer:

Now, I suspect this may be on a related note, when I first moved to Waco back in the early 80's, there was a restaurant that had an item on the menu called "Baptist Tea". It was a beer, served in a Tea glass. Very popular on Sunday after church for some reason.:D

[luvmyshiner]

Well I made my first post on this thread on March 1, so I guess it only took me two months to finally finish the damn thing. But here it is, my finished first cab build.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P5040021.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P5040023.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/luvmyshiner/Cab%20build/P5040026.jpg

In restrospect I realize it doesn't much look like an instrument speaker cab, but that's ok. I've learned a lot and if (or when) I ever tackle another cab build, I've got some improvements I can build into the second version thanks to what I learned on Shiner Speaker Cab Ver. 1.0

That's going to be awhile because I've got some other projects piling up. I hope to get the thumb wheel pots put on my D'Aquisto this week, which will leave me free next weekend to get some work done on my Firefly Amph. Then I can finally get some work done on my screaming solos.:beer:

Oh, and in my free time this weekend I changed out the ballcock on the toilet in our bathroom. There's really no reason for me to tell y'all that, except I just love saying that word . . . ballcock, ballcock, ballcock.:bravo:

[just strum]

Oh, and in my free time this weekend I changed out the ballcock on the toilet in our bathroom. There's really no reason for me to tall y'all that, except I just love saying that word . . . ballcock, ballcock, ballcock.:bravo:

You probably went through this whole build and posting pictures in this thread, planning on using this ending to close it out. Some of the people here have only known you for a couple of months, however I have known you for almost two years and know what you will go through to set up inserting that kind of ending.

geeezzzz, Ballcock:thwap: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/auroraohio/saythat.gif

[luvmyshiner]

You probably went through this whole build and posting pictures in this thread, planning on using this ending to close it out. Some of the people here have only known you for a couple of months, however I have known you for almost two years and know what you will go through to set up inserting that kind of ending.

geeezzzz, Ballcock:thwap: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/auroraohio/saythat.gif

Heh, heh, you know me to well my friend. Truth is I had the entire project finished in 3 days, but I had to drag it out until I came up with a decent punch line for the end.:AOK:

[warren0728]

it's beautiful shiner....with the firefly that is going to be a great set-up!! :bravo:

ww

[M29]

That is one sweet looking cab there luvmyshiner, very nice indeed:AOK:

M29

[luvmyshiner]

Thanks y'all. I'm just glad to have it finished.

[Tone2TheBone]

Thanks to broadband at home I finally got to see this thread with the pics. That's very dang cool Shiner it came out nice man. I have the Veteran 30 speaker and I can't believe how good it sounds you're gonna love it.

[tot_Ou_tard]

Gorgeous Shiner!!!

We want clips when everything is done.

As to Marnold & the Church Key...why am I not surprised?

Clergyman...Brewer...Lives in Wisconsin.

I'm sure all the Humboldt California natives would call, geez I dunno, the TV remote dank bud but they just scarfed out & are passed out & sawing logs (redwood!) right now.

[Kazz]

She looks awesome Shine....how does she sound?

[Kazz]

You probably went through this whole build and posting pictures in this thread, planning on using this ending to close it out. Some of the people here have only known you for a couple of months, however I have known you for almost two years and know what you will go through to set up inserting that kind of ending.

geeezzzz, Ballcock:thwap: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/auroraohio/saythat.gif


Ain't it the truth Strum....he is the best set up man in the business......

[luvmyshiner]

She looks awesome Shine....how does she sound?

That's the sad thing Kazz, I have no idea how she sounds.:cry: I have to wait until I finish my Firefly amph to answer that question.

[duhvoodooman]

That's the sad thing Kazz, I have no idea how she sounds.:cry: I have to wait until I finish my Firefly amph to answer that question.
Shiner, I selflessly volunteer to test out your new cab with my Firefly. Just send it up to me here in upstate NY and I'll give it a thorough checkout. I'll even record a clip or two for you, 'cuz that's just the kind of guy I am!! Then I'll ship it back to you. Of course, these things take time (like 6 months or so.... ;) )

[just strum]

That's the sad thing Kazz, I have no idea how she sounds.:cry: I have to wait until I finish my Firefly amph to answer that question.

Sort of the cart before the horse?

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h16/auroraohio/deadhorse.gif

[luvmyshiner]

Heh, heh. Wow Voodoo, what a generous kinda guy you are! The folks on this forum are just so giving!:D

Now Strum, I actually did think this through. I decided that it would be harder to finish the amph and not be able to test it out till I built a cab, then the other way around.:AOK:

[PAPPY]

I changed out the ballcock on the toilet in our bathroom
Did you know that the real name for a toilet is "Water Closet" Can you imagine a Texan calling a "sh**ter a Water Closet :thwap: But regardless of what name we call it they all have a.....ballcock...ballcock....ballcock. :rotflmao:

[luvmyshiner]

Did you know that the real name for a toilet is "Water Closet" Can you imagine a Texan calling a "sh**ter a Water Closet :thwap: But regardless of what name we call it they all have a.....ballcock...ballcock....ballcock. :rotflmao:

Dang Pappy, I just spurted coffee out my nose.:rotflmao: It's a good thing I saw your post this morning instead of this afternoon, or I would have wasted good beer.:beer:

[just strum]

Did you know that the real name for a toilet is "Water Closet" Can you imagine a Texan calling a "sh**ter a Water Closet :thwap: But regardless of what name we call it they all have a.....ballcock...ballcock....ballcock. :rotflmao:


If it looks like a s*****r and smells like a s*****r, then it's a s*****r. Whether in Texas, Ohio or anywhere else in North America.

[mechanic]

Great looking cabinet and fantastic build quality!
Have you considered putting a handle on it though? or did I miss something?
Eric

[luvmyshiner]

Hey mechanic, thanks for the kind words. No handles on this one. I did consider putting recessed handles on the sides, and probably could do so at some point in the future. But the truth is I'm already considering a second build to improve on the first with the lessons I learned. So this one may not be around all that long.

[just strum]

Hey mechanic, thanks for the kind words. No handles on this one. I did consider putting recessed handles on the sides, and probably could do so at some point in the future. But the truth is I'm already considering a second build to improve on the first with the lessons I learned. So this one may not be around all that long.

Build a bigger one and it could double as a guest room.:D

[luvmyshiner]

Build a bigger one and it could double as a guest room.:D

When you come to visit Strum, we'll put you up in my latest Cab build.:D

Seriously, I'm thinking about Kazz's suggestion of building a 2x12, but first I want to finish the amph and play around with this speaker some, as well as investigate the whole open/closed back thing. Mudcat has pm'd me in the past about speaker choices, and I'd like to do a little research to see what effect that might have on the sound. Also, as much fun as I've been having with the amph build, it this one turns out ok I may tackle something a little bigger. So many toys, so little time.:beer:

[piebaldpython]

Shiner........dude, firstoff....major KUDOS for an awesome build. I truly admire your skills, of which I have NONE save for the ability to replace a ballcock.

Second, the Church Key thing cracked me up no end. In Philly town, we have always just called those "bottle cap openers" or "can openers". No fancy schmancy words for us. aha To call it a Church Key, as any Catholic will tell you :D ......gets you additional purgatory time when you die, provided you haven't done enough wrong things to warrant EVERLASTING heat. In which case the extra purgatory time transfers to your next of kin.

Lastly, of course Texicans never heard of a water closet. That is a genteel Yankee word from the 1800's polite society folks. We all know that Texans didn't get indoor plumbing until 1950 and by that time, even we Yankees called WC'ss "toilets".

P.S.......Hey Shiner, bein' the good lawyer that you are....aha.....tongue in cheek here my friend.....uh.....how many billable hours were you able to charge for your cab build?? :rotflmao:

[luvmyshiner]

Hey Pie, thanks for the kind words. It's been awhile since I visited this thread. It's hard to believe it's been almost a year since I started that project.

Unfortunately since I built the Cab for CB I wasn't able to charge any billable hours. It's shame considering how long the thing took to build. Sniff.:cry: