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    Quote Originally Posted by natethegreat424
    To introduce myself, my name is Nate, I'm 22 years old and have been playing guitar for around 4 years. I grew up playing piano taught classically for 6 years. This helped develop my musical sense at a young age however I never really felt that I truly understood the piano. Sure I could play the music sitting in front of me and memorize difficult songs, however how does that separate me from anyone else in the world. Thinking about it, anyone could read that same music and produce the exact same song. There is no individual style or feeling put into it. Basically i was limiting myself to only what was on the page. Never having the capability or understanding to play outside the box.



    Rock on - Nate
    BTW, I studied piano from about second grade until about 18 (that was a long time ago now though) and I know what you mean. I always wanted to be taught how to improvise in jazz/honkytonk/bluesey ways and be able to rock out. My teacher never did it. Typically assigned another Russian composer to study. I started guitar a couple years ago, and I do think the old piano experience helps because that part of my brain got wired that way when I was young, but it still seems a much different approach. Anyhow, glad you joined us in your search.
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    welcome!
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    Welcome!

    A lot of blues centers around the tradition of paying homage to your influences by "borrowing" some of their phrasing. In the blues, it's okay to copy a turn around from, say, BB King, but try to find out where he got it from and work your way back.

    Do this, and then listen to any Stevie Ray Vaughan solo. You'll hear all of his influences come out, but there's a respect there, IMHO.

    If I could give you any advise about blues playing, fer Gawd's sake, don't limit yourself to just pentatonic scales. There is no right or wrong, only what sounds good in your head and heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunvalleylaw
    I started guitar a couple years ago, and I do think piano helps because that part of my brain got wired that way when I was young,
    I envy you your brain, or at least part of it.
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    Hello Nate,

    Happy to have another blues lover with us : As for the Blues I'm still trying to improve after all these years of playing but I have the feeling that "less is the best"

    More seriously listen to BB King, Buddy Guy and just try to copy what they're doing (as well as many other guitar greats) and you will find your way

    You're young, so it will come with time no worries
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    Hey Guys,

    Thanks for all the replies. I'm glad to know there are so many people on this site with such experience and knowledge. I'm sure I'll be asking a lot of questions in the near future so be prepared haha. Also I looked into some of what you guys referred me to. Seems like the "Blues you can Use" series may be right up my ally. I think I may check it out. Other than that thanks again and I'm looking forward to making some serious progress in 2009!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jipes
    Hello Nate,

    As for the Blues I'm still trying to improve after all these years of playing but I have the feeling that "less is the best"
    Would you mind expounding on that. I've heard that phrase before and I think I know what you mean by it. Essentially that most players believe that they need to fill every second with as many notes as possible. However learning how to make a couple really key notes hit makes all the difference...

    If I'm correct in my definition than I completely agree and I've noticed that about myself recently. However I guess it just takes awhile to understand how to make those notes really count and say more with less. I'm sure once again practice is the key in that respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket
    You can't learn the Blues, you can't read the Blues, you can't teach the Blues... you feel the Blues and express what you feel in whatever way you can be proficient at it whether it's guitar, drums, horns, vocals, writing... whatever.

    It's a phantom limb itch. You know you'll never scratch it but that knowledge won't keep you from feeling it and driving you insane.
    Trust that what I say is the absolute truth.
    Wow, I don't know whether to be discouraged or enlightened

    Welcome Nate, this is a great forum!

    Do a bit of a search for "Single String Scales" I think it is. Taught me how to improvise blues lead using just one string. (it's a great lesson for a few reasons actually, but in the context of less is more, single string runs are pretty "less") then try it with 2 strings. If you can force yourself to stick to it, I found it a great way to restrain myself from just running up and down the fretboard using the full blues or pentatonic scales.

    Oh and Ted_s I loved your post, cracked me up, but I have a question...

    12. Do you have the right to sing the Blues? Yes, if:

    * a) you're older than dirt
    * b) you're blind
    * c) you shot a man in Memphis <-- So thats the difference. Shoot a man in Memphis and it's blues, Shoot one in Reno and it's Country?
    * d) you can't be satisfied.

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    Hello Nate, and welcome to the Fret.

    The Blues is not only a music style, it is knowing about its history and where it derives from, it has to do with feeling what you play and many more things. Learning licks etc is cool, but it is a lifelong challenge that you master with your growing experience. You will face times where you think "okay that's it, played all 12 bar schematics I could found, what now" but don't give in here, there is so many things to explore if you take a look behind the curtain. You are on a journey man. Let us know whenever you have questions. This is the place to be if you are looking for musical growth and great people!

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    Welcome, Nate and Cheers!

    You've already received some great advice and there's more to come, I'm sure! Check this link out. Good foundational course for not much money: http://http://www.amazon.com/House-B...3073578&sr=8-1
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    Quote Originally Posted by ted s
    If you want to learn the blues, here's some rules..

    1. Most Blues begin, "Woke up this morning."

    2. "I got a good woman" is a bad way to begin the Blues, 'less you stick something nasty in the next line, like "I got a good woman with the meanest face in town."

    3. The Blues is simple. After you get the first line right, repeat it. Then find something that rhymes ... sort of: "Got a good woman - with the meanest face in town. Got teeth like Margaret Thatcher - and she weigh 500 pound."

    4. The Blues are not about choice. You stuck in a ditch: You stuck in a ditch, ain't no way out.

    5. Blues cars: Chevys and Cadillacs and broken down trucks. Blues don't travel in Volvos, BMWs, or Sport Utility Vehicles. Most Blues transportation is a Greyhound bus or a southbound train. Jet aircraft and state-sponsored motor pools ain't even in the running. Walkin' plays a major part in the blues lifestyle. So does fixin' to die.

    6. Teenagers can't sing the Blues. They ain't fixin' to die yet, now that the Vietnam war is over. Adults sing the Blues. In Blues, "adulthood" means being old enough to get the electric chair if you shoot a man in Memphis.

    7. Blues can take place in New York City, but not in Hawaii or any place in Canada. Hard times in St. Paul or Tucson is just depression. Chicago, St. Louis, and Kansas City still the best places to have the Blues. You cannot have the blues in any place that don't get rain.

    8. A man with male pattern baldness ain't the blues. A woman with male pattern baldness is. Breaking your leg cuz you skiing is not the blues. Breaking your leg cuz a' alligator be chompin' on it is.

    9. You can't have no Blues in an office or a shopping mall. The lighting is wrong. Go outside to the parking lot or sit by the dumpster.

    10. Good places for the Blues:

    * a) highway
    * b) jailhouse
    * c) empty bed

    Bad places:

    * a) Ashrams
    * b) gallery openings
    * c) Ivy League institutions
    * d) golf courses

    11. No one will believe it's the Blues if you wear a suit, 'less you happen to be a' old black man, and you slept in it.

    12. Do you have the right to sing the Blues? Yes, if:

    * a) you're older than dirt
    * b) you're blind
    * c) you shot a man in Memphis
    * d) you can't be satisfied.

    No, if:

    * a) you have all your teeth
    * b) you were once blind but now can see
    * c) the man in Memphis lived.
    * d) you have a retirement plan or trust fund.

    13. Blues is not a matter of color. It's a matter of bad luck. Tiger Woods cannot sing the blues. Gary Coleman could. Ugly white people also got a leg up on the blues.

    14. If you ask for water and Baby give you gasoline, it's the Blues. Other acceptable Blues beverages are:

    * a) bad wine
    * b) bad whiskey or bad bourbon
    * c) muddy water
    * d) black coffee.

    The following are NOT Blues beverages:

    * a) mixed drinks
    * b) kosher wine
    * c) Snapple
    * d) sparkling water

    15. If it occurs in a cheap motel or a shotgun shack, it's a Blues death. Stabbed in the back by a jealous lover is another Blues way to die. So is the electric chair, substance abuse, and dying lonely on a broken down cot. You can't have a Blues death if you die during a tennis match or getting liposuction.

    16. Some Blues names for women:

    * a) Sadie
    * b) Big Mama
    * c) Bessie
    * d) Fat River Dumpling

    17. Some Blues names for men:

    * a) Joe
    * b) Willie
    * c) Little Willie
    * d) Big Willie

    18. Persons with names like Sierra, Sequoia, and Rainbow can't sing the Blues no matter how many men they shoot in Memphis.

    19. Make yer own Blues name (starter kit):

    * a) name of physical infirmity (Blind, Cripple, Lame, etc.)
    * b) first name (see above) plus name of fruit (Lemon, Lime, Kiwi, etc.)
    * c) last name of President (Jefferson, Johnson, Fillmore, etc.)

    For example, Blind Lime Jefferson, or Cripple Kiwi Fillmore, etc.

    20. I don't care how tragic your life: you own a computer, you cannot sing the blues. You best destroy it- with fire, a spilled bottle of Mad Dog, or get out a shotgun. Maybe your big woman just done sat on it. I don't care.

    21. Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Lutherans and Quakers cannot have the blues. Baptists, Methodists, lapsed Catholics, AME and AME Zion adherents and any member of any Holiness sect can. Jews cannot, although they can be in a New York state of mind that is a distant cousin to the blues. Muslims can have the blues but generally don't.

    22. Cotton and wool make good blues clothing. Lycra does not.

    23. Shoes with tassels are not blues shoes. Other dress shoes are, as long as they got holes in 'em from walkin' so far to try to find that no-good, sorry woman what left you. If you own a pair of Air Jordans, you cannot have the blues.

    24. Bluesmen and -women play guitar, bass, drums, acoustic pianos and Hammond B-3 organs. They do not play synthesizers, cellos, trombones (except in New Orleans) or flutes. Sound men and club bartenders can have the blues. Booking agents cannot.

    25. Reporters and editors can have the blues, if they're wearing their fedoras. Ad sales reps and Web-page designers cannot no matter what they wear. Photographers still working in film can have the blues; those working digitally cannot.

    26. Football, basketball and minor-league baseball players can have the blues. Major-league baseball players cannot, nor can hockey, golf or soccer players at any level.

    27. Engineers can't have the blues. 'ceptin' train engineers, of course.
    I'm sure this has been quoted a lot, maybe it's a "classic" blues-list and has been going around for some time now... don't know, but for me, it's the first time i've read it and, know what... laughed so hard it took my blues away!

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    Blues Rules - my vote for sticky !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkus
    Blues Rules - my vote for sticky !!!
    Check here, Monkus..............

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