The Moon poll - did we do it?

[Tone2TheBone]

Question of the day for my friends. Did "we" land on the moon? For real? Was/is it possible? Really? Tell me what you think.....

[Robert****]

Well, Wallace and Gromit went there, so we might have done it too. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104361/)

[Tone2TheBone]

Well, Wallace and Gromit went there, so we might have done it too. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104361/)

LMAO! First time I heard of Wallace and Gromit was at a Burger King in Colorado when my 14 year old was only 11. *sighs*

[ted s]

If we did, why only once ?

[Tone2TheBone]

If we did, why only once ?

Because it's too expensive to fake more than once?

[t_ross33]

If we did, why only once ?

Apollo 11 Landing - Mare Tranquillitatis (0°41'15"N, 23°26'E) July 20, 1969
Apollo 12 Landing - Oceanus Procellarum (3°11'51"S, 23°23'8"W) Nov. 19, 1969
Apollo 13 Mission - You saw the movie I'm sure
Apollo 14 Landing - Fra Mauro (3°40'24"S, 17°27'55"W) Feb. 5, 1971
Apollo 15 Landing - Hadley-Apennines (26°6'3"N, 03°39'10"E) July 30, 1971
Apollo 16 Landing - Descartes (8°59'29"S, 15°30'52"E) April 21, 1972
Apollo 17 Landing - Taurus-Littrow (20°9'55"N, 30°45'57"E) Dec. 11, 1972

After that NASA dumped big bucks into a craft that could be used more than once (i.e. the Shuttle). Never got it to the moon and back though, and I've heard that they may be reviving a rocket program in prep for a Mars mission.

But who can believe anything the government says

[ted s]

Apollo 11 Landing - Mare Tranquillitatis (0°41'15"N, 23°26'E) July 20, 1969
Apollo 12 Landing - Oceanus Procellarum (3°11'51"S, 23°23'8"W) Nov. 19, 1969
Apollo 13 Mission - You saw the movie I'm sure
Apollo 14 Landing - Fra Mauro (3°40'24"S, 17°27'55"W) Feb. 5, 1971
Apollo 15 Landing - Hadley-Apennines (26°6'3"N, 03°39'10"E) July 30, 1971
Apollo 16 Landing - Descartes (8°59'29"S, 15°30'52"E) April 21, 1972
Apollo 17 Landing - Taurus-Littrow (20°9'55"N, 30°45'57"E) Dec. 11, 1972

oops, I hate it when I'm a knob.

[Mark]

Yes I believe we did, for one I know some of the people involved in the Apollo program and have no doubt. Second the main proponent (not sure if he started it all but he was trod out as an "authority" on one documentary) of this nonsense that we didnt do it, was some toothless whack job in a trailer somewhere. . Plus thinking about it logically a hoax of this magnitude would be impossible to cover up for all these years. Just my nickles worth. Oh yea I heard Paul is dead, after all he is barefoot crossing Abbey road...........LOL

EDIT to remove political stuff, sorry Robert sometimes the fingers get ahead of the gray matter.

[Robert****]

Just remember guys, no politics.

[marnold***]

There are talks of returning to the Moon now to use it to test equipment for a trip to Mars. It sounds like they are thinking of using a vehicle not that dissimilar to the old Apollo spacecraft.

[Spudman***]

You know...I'm there often and I never see anyone else.

[Mark]

You know...I'm there often and I never see anyone else.

Yep just waitin for the Grand Opening of the new Moonbase Guitar Center. Just think how light a full stack of marshalls would be up there.

[SuperSwede]

You know...I'm there often and I never see anyone else.

Erhmmm.. your supposed to be on the light side of the moon, not the dark side spuds.

[Katastrophe]

If the moonshot was fake, then 'rasslin's real.

I dunno, I'm just sayin' is all.

[Tone2TheBone]

If the moonshot was fake, then 'rasslin's real.

I dunno, I'm just sayin' is all.

I heard that somewhere Kat! heh

[Tone2TheBone]

There are talks of returning to the Moon now to use it to test equipment for a trip to Mars. It sounds like they are thinking of using a vehicle not that dissimilar to the old Apollo spacecraft.

I have a hard time believing that we traveled from here to the moon using 1960s technology and material and design...flying through freezing space in thin walled ships....landing correctly and safely and then launching off the surface, docking and then returning home.

Ok I got a question maybe someone can answer it for me. Who was manning the camera that filmed the Lunar Module taking off from the moon back up to dock with the Command Module? The film shows the LM taking off from the surface of the moon rather quickly and the camera pans up to follow it's accent. Who was filming it? Someone? No because they left to go back to the CM. A computer? If a computer...how was that film returned back to us when we had already left? This is the least important argument I know but I've always wondered about this. LOL

And why is the moon so grey? Why isn't it different colors of grey or tan or green or yellow? Because the moon material is composed of the same thing everywhere?

I would love to see us try and go back thats for dang sure. I'm gonna watch it again and pay closer attention.

[Bloozcat]

I have a hard time believing that we traveled from here to the moon using 1960s technology and material and design...flying through freezing space in thin walled ships....landing correctly and safely and then launching off the surface, docking and then returning home.

The same could be said of the improbability that Columbus could have sailed three small, technologically limited ships accross uncharted ocean, with limited navigation equipment. There is ample evidence that Norsemen accomplished this same task in the North Atlantic with even less capable vessels and navigation equipment. And then there's the theorized migration by South Americans across the vast expanse of the Pacific ocean to Polynesia on little more than rafts. Theory that was later proven possible by Thor Heyerdahl's Kon Tiki experiment. Many human feats that when looked upon through the prisim of history, appear impossible. Has that ever stopped mankind from attempting the "impossible" in any generation.

Ok I got a question maybe someone can answer it for me. Who was manning the camera that filmed the Lunar Module taking off from the moon back up to dock with the Command Module? The film shows the LM taking off from the surface of the moon rather quickly and the camera pans up to follow it's accent. Who was filming it? Someone? No because they left to go back to the CM. A computer? If a computer...how was that film returned back to us when we had already left? This is the least important argument I know but I've always wondered about this. LOL

This one's easy. A camera was left on a tripod on the moons surface specifically to transmit visual images of the LEM's liftoff. This is a true fact. You can't question the technology that was used to accomplish this without questioning the techlology as a whole that transmits visual images. How could one sit in front of a TV in that era watching visual images that were transmitted over the airwaves and not accept that the same technology was employed on the moon? And for that matter, why not question any and all visual images from the space program from its inception?

And why is the moon so grey? Why isn't it different colors of grey or tan or green or yellow? Because the moon material is composed of the same thing everywhere?

Have you ever looked at the moon through a powerful telescope? What colors did you see? It's always the same bluish-gray and white colors with the occasional tanish-brown appearing in isolated areas. Except for those occasional tanish-brown colors, the same can be seen with the naked eye on a full moon on a clear night. There are many books that have been published with extremely vivid photographs of the Lunar surface that were taken by the various Apollo astronauts. The colors on the astronauts suits show up quite well, as did the colors on the American flag that was raised. Another thing to remember is that the famous scenes of the first astronauts to walk on the moon, were recorded by an Australian from a terribly bad signal that was then reproduced for airing. Hardly a good representation of the lunar surface.

I would love to see us try and go back thats for dang sure. I'm gonna watch it again and pay closer attention.

You may get your wish here, if NASA is serious about their recent statements about returning to the moon. NASA has long held that any manned mission to Mars would likely have to be launched from the moon. A Mars space craft equipped with enough space, supplies, fuel and other necessities would be so large and heavy that it could not be launced from Earth with enough fuel to complete the journey after burning so much just to escape the Earths gravity. Launching from the moon would all but eliminate this problem (albeit with other obstacles that would have to be overcome).

Living here in Florida just a couple of hours away from the Cape, I've come to know several people who worked on the Apollo program. Unless every one of them was deluded, deranged, or have been subjected to some kind of mind altering drug that has wiped out only their memories of the Apollo mission and nothing else in their lives (talk about something that's hard to believe), then they're telling the truth about the authenticity of the moon landings.

I'm not trying to slam you here tone2thebone. You posed some serious questions for which there are logical and credible answers. I don't know if you've ever had the pleasure of visiting Cape Canaveral, but it's really an eye opener. Just standing beneath the Jupiter rocket that was used to propel the Apollo craft to the moon, is awe inspiring. The enormity of this rocket alone along with the entire project that surrounded it, is way to extensive and expensive just to have been created to perpetuate a hoax. Were they "flying by the seat of their pants" during the course of the mission? Were they pushing the technology to the limits of the day and beyond? You bet they were, and those who worked on the project will tell you so. But, they did it...

[Katastrophe]

I voted "yes, we did..." But there are people in my county that believe the moonshot was fake, and 'rasslin's real.

[jpfeifer]

I'm sure that we did.

I used to work for a company that made sattelites. There was so much thought that went into the design of these for almost every aspect, from how to keep the temperature evenly distibuted when subjected to the extremes of space environment, to shielding it from space-borne particles that could disrupt the circuitry. There is a ton of technology that goes into making something that can operate in space reliably. A lot these things were learned over the years of the space program.

If this whole mission to the moon was some conspiracy to fool the public then there wouldn't be any technology to show for all the effort that went into the development of the various equipment used to make these missions.

-- Jim