Speakers Comparaison

[BigBadWolf1171]

heres a comparision of a v30 and a veteren 30 from warehousespeakers.com
. theres a few other comparisions.

[Radioboy950]

heres a comparision of a v30 and a veteren 30 from warehousespeakers.com
. theres a few other comparisions.

Where?

[BigBadWolf1171]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3cyE2Llqxw

try there

[Radioboy950]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3cyE2Llqxw

try there

Good shootout...and it turned me on to an amp I had not even considered.
That Traynor 112 combo is awesome for the $$.

[Bloozcat]

Whoo-Hoo!

Just won a like new Eminence Legend GB12 on Ebay for $37.00 plus shipping ($52.00 shipped). I've had this barely tested 50 watt Legend 125 that I bought new sitting around for a while now that I always thought would pair well with a GB12. Best of both worlds; the vintage American tone of the Legend 125 with the classic British greenback-like tone of the GB12. The legend 125 is known for its tight bass, smooth mids and sweet highs, and the GB12 for its full bass and pronounced mids/upper mids. I had mentioned this combo to the folks at Eminence in an e-mail about a year ago and they said it's a great combo, in fact it's one they recommend. We'll see...

[duhvoodooman***]

And you ain't the only one, BC! Here's the little audio treasure trove I've acquired in the last week: a WGS Green Beret (Celestion Greenback clone) and an Eminence Wizard (both 16 ohm) that I got from two different guys on TGP, and a 8 ohm Eminence Cannabis Rex off the NYC Craigslist. The Green Beret and Wizard will go into my Drive 2x12 cab, and the Cannabis Rex is destined for my Blues Junior.

To clear up any drug-related speculation, the Cannabis Rex is so named because it uses a hemp fiber cone manufactured for Eminence by Tone Tubby, who specializes in them. I've read great things about their tonal quality, particularly what a pleasingly smooth top-end they have. I've decided that the uber-Fendery jangle of the Jensen C12R I have in the Blues Jr. currently just isn't that well suited for how/what I play.

A photo of the "Tres Hombres":

[sumitomo]

Ya Mon! and wit a name like Duhvoodoo mon we know who be supplying the material to be makin speakers! Sumi

[Bloozcat]

And you ain't the only one, BC! Here's the little audio treasure trove I've acquired in the last week: a WGS Green Beret (Celestion Greenback clone) and an Eminence Wizard (both 16 ohm) that I got from two different guys on TGP, and a 8 ohm Eminence Cannabis Rex off the NYC Craigslist. The Green Beret and Wizard will go into my Drive 2x12 cab, and the Cannabis Rex is destined for my Blues Junior.

To clear up any drug-related speculation, the Cannabis Rex is so named because it uses a hemp fiber cone manufactured for Eminence by Tone Tubby, who specializes in them. I've read great things about their tonal quality, particularly what a pleasingly smooth top-end they have. I've decided that the uber-Fendery jangle of the Jensen C12R I have in the Blues Jr. currently just isn't that well suited for how/what I play.

A photo of the "Tres Hombres":

Well, I couldn't let you have all the fun DVM...only 3/4 of it...

My music room is starting to look like a darn speaker factory...

[duhvoodooman***]

I stripped the Eminence Legend V128's out of my Drive 2x12 cab last night and mounted the Green Beret and Wizard. It was after 10 PM and my son was already in bed when I got it all back together, but I did have a chance to play a few notes through it with my Carvin CT6 and Egnater Rebel head. It's definitely got that in-your-face British-flavored growl now; good solid bottom and lots of top-end definition as well. Should be a perfect match-up with the Trinity 18W TMB kit, when I (finally) get that built....

[Bloozcat]

I stripped the Eminence Legend V128's out of my Drive 2x12 cab last night and mounted the Green Beret and Wizard. It was after 10 PM and my son was already in bed when I got it all back together, but I did have a chance to play a few notes through it with my Carvin CT6 and Egnater Rebel head. It's definitely got that in-your-face British-flavored growl now; good solid bottom and lots of top-end definition as well. Should be a perfect match-up with the Trinity 18W TMB kit, when I (finally) get that built....

That should sound great, DVM!

Of all the speakers in the Eminence Legend series, the V12 seems to be the one that's universally disliked. Most say it's too harsh and spikey, and not very musical.

You've made a major upgrade...

[duhvoodooman***]

For anyone who might be interested, the guy I bought the Emi Wizard from just offered me a second one just like it (16 ohm) that he's decided to sell, also. I'm pretty sure he's a student and hard up for cash. He's giving me special pricing because I bought the first one. If interested, PM me, and I'll try to broker the deal.

[Bloozcat]

For anyone who might be interested, the guy I bought the Emi Wizard from just offered me a second one just like it (16 ohm) that he's decided to sell, also. I'm pretty sure he's a student and hard up for cash. He's giving me special pricing because I bought the first one. If interested, PM me, and I'll try to broker the deal.

Why do deals always seem to come in floods while discretionary cash comes like the drip, drip, drip of a leaky faucet?

Another guy on The Gear Page has a pair of WGS ET-65's for $115.00 delivered. For that Ceriatone OTS of mine, they're like the Holy Grail of Robben Ford tone (actually it's the GT-65 Celestion, but the WGS sounds even better IMHO).

Aw, heck. I can't play like Robben Ford anyway, so I guess I won't miss them...

Edit to add: Since this is the amp forum and we're talking about deals, someone locally is offering a Fender Deluxe Reverb II at a reasonable price. This is one of the early 80's hand wired tube classics made by Paul Rivera.

Now how do I justify buying this amp when I've got several others already? And I still want an 18 Watt clone soon too (like that Trinity DVM)?

And then there's getting it by "homeland security". "Oh, that? Yeah, I've had that awhile..." (if by "awhile" I mean since yesterday!)

[duhvoodooman***]

Oh. My. Lord!!

I mounted the WGS Green Beret and the Eminence Wizard in my Drive ported 2x12 cab the week before last, but only yesterday did I have the chance to really crank the volume up through them. Was running my Epi Elitist LP Standard though my Egnater Rebel 20W head into the cab. I've never played through a Marshall half-stack, but this must be close to the experience. It sounded just fabulous. That Green Beret added some real bottom end authority, and the Wizard gives a searing-but-oh-so-articulate top end. Truly impressive! I can truly understand now why people mix speakers in a cab....

[piebaldpython***]

Oh. My. Lord!! I can truly understand now why people mix speakers in a cab....

And the same theory applies to pups in gits too. I did that with my Pettingill FPS-001 lap steel. A creamy, smooth bucker in the neck and an in-your-face steroidal bucker in the bridge. There isn't much in the bucker sound-system that these girls can't get to.

[Ch0jin]

To clear up any drug-related speculation, the Cannabis Rex is so named because it uses a hemp fiber cone manufactured for Eminence by Tone Tubby, who specializes in them...

Now there's a coincidence! I've come across a few references to that speaker on the intrawebs recently and just assumed it -was- a drug reference used as a marketing ploy! You know, to get that "stoner rock" sound or something. (although I note that it's not called the "Hemp Rex" haha)

Goes to show ya, assumptions are the mother of all mess-ups.

@PBP, I agree!

My old squire has a GFS Bridge Humbucker, a Fender SC middle and a DiMarzio Chopper neck. It's a Frankenstein for sure, but it covers a lot of different sounds!

[tunghaichuan***]

Edit to add: Since this is the amp forum and we're talking about deals, someone locally is offering a Fender Deluxe Reverb II at a reasonable price. This is one of the early 80's hand wired tube classics made by Paul Rivera.

My own personal opinion, having owned a few of those: I think most of the Rivera-era Fender amps sound like crap. The exceptions being the Super Champ and the Rivera Concert. I owned a Super Champ, a Deluxe Reverb II and a Princeton Reverb II. I looked for a Concert for years, but never had the cash on hand when one came available.

I remember when those amps came out in the 80s, music stores had to sell them at cost to get rid of them. The clean sound was okay, but the real deal Blackface Fender amps sound much better.

The drive channels were terrible. very nasal and middy with the pull gain control. You couldn't get much gain until the gain control was pulled out and then it was mud city. Again the exceptions being the Super Champ and Concert. The drive channel on the SC sounds very good followed closely by the Concert. Except that the Concert is a 50-60 watt amp so to warm it up, you have to set the volume to ear bleeding levels. The SC was more manageable at 18-20 watts. But lots of modern amps sound much better, and are less expensive. The SC had an oddball preamp tube, long out of production and a weirdo compactron socket for the tube.

True, Rivera era Fenders were hand-wired on tag boards like the 50s and 60s Fenders, but if you've ever seen one of the Rivera-era Fenders, they look like a rats nest inside.

I guess I just don't get the worship those old Rivera-era amps inspire. I'm guessing that when the Blackface Fenders dried up, the Silverface amps became popular, and when those dried up, players are now looking to the last hand-wired Fenders made.

Just my own $.02 as a former owner.

[Bloozcat]

My own personal opinion, having owned a few of those: I think most of the Rivera-era Fender amps sound like crap. The exceptions being the Super Champ and the Rivera Concert. I owned a Super Champ, a Deluxe Reverb II and a Princeton Reverb II. I looked for a Concert for years, but never had the cash on hand when one came available.

I remember when those amps came out in the 80s, music stores had to sell them at cost to get rid of them. The clean sound was okay, but the real deal Blackface Fender amps sound much better.

The drive channels were terrible. very nasal and middy with the pull gain control. You couldn't get much gain until the gain control was pulled out and then it was mud city. Again the exceptions being the Super Champ and Concert. The drive channel on the SC sounds very good followed closely by the Concert. Except that the Concert is a 50-60 watt amp so to warm it up, you have to set the volume to ear bleeding levels. The SC was more manageable at 18-20 watts. But lots of modern amps sound much better, and are less expensive. The SC had an oddball preamp tube, long out of production and a weirdo compactron socket for the tube.

True, Rivera era Fenders were hand-wired on tag boards like the 50s and 60s Fenders, but if you've ever seen one of the Rivera-era Fenders, they look like a rats nest inside.

I guess I just don't get the worship those old Rivera-era amps inspire. I'm guessing that when the Blackface Fenders dried up, the Silverface amps became popular, and when those dried up, players are now looking to the last hand-wired Fenders made.

Just my own $.02 as a former owner.

I guess it's good that I didn't buy it then...

IMHO, the guy wanted too much for it @$550.00 in the fair shape it's in. I found it to be a little too "farty" as many 6V6 based amps tend to be, and wasn't impressed enough with drive channel tone. Clean was nice, reverb sounded good, but with a 65 Band Master already in my music room, I've got Fender clean in spades.

[duhvoodooman***]

My own personal opinion, having owned a few of those: I think most of the Rivera-era Fender amps sound like crap. The exceptions being the Super Champ and the Rivera Concert. I owned a Super Champ, a Deluxe Reverb II and a Princeton Reverb II. I looked for a Concert for years, but never had the cash on hand when one came available.

I remember when those amps came out in the 80s, music stores had to sell them at cost to get rid of them. The clean sound was okay, but the real deal Blackface Fender amps sound much better.

The drive channels were terrible. very nasal and middy with the pull gain control. You couldn't get much gain until the gain control was pulled out and then it was mud city. Again the exceptions being the Super Champ and Concert. The drive channel on the SC sounds very good followed closely by the Concert. Except that the Concert is a 50-60 watt amp so to warm it up, you have to set the volume to ear bleeding levels. The SC was more manageable at 18-20 watts. But lots of modern amps sound much better, and are less expensive. The SC had an oddball preamp tube, long out of production and a weirdo compactron socket for the tube.

True, Rivera era Fenders were hand-wired on tag boards like the 50s and 60s Fenders, but if you've ever seen one of the Rivera-era Fenders, they look like a rats nest inside.

I guess I just don't get the worship those old Rivera-era amps inspire. I'm guessing that when the Blackface Fenders dried up, the Silverface amps became popular, and when those dried up, players are now looking to the last hand-wired Fenders made.

Just my own $.02 as a former owner.

Tung, what do you know about the Champ 12? There's one of those up for sale on the Albany Craigslist today for $350. Looks very clean in the photo:

http://albany.craigslist.org/msg/1606391740.html

I'm not in the market, but I could make contact for an interested Fretter....

[tunghaichuan***]

Tung, what do you know about the Champ 12? There's one of those up for sale on the Albany Craigslist today for $350. Looks very clean in the photo:

http://albany.craigslist.org/msg/1606391740.html

I'm not in the market, but I could make contact for an interested Fretter....

I would stay away from the Champ 12. It is typical late 80s-early 90s PCB construction. It sounds only okay, the reverb is weak, the clean only so-so and the OD channel is horrid. Even though it has a single 12" speaker, the amp sounds kind of boxy due to the small cabinet. I owned two of those, mainly because I didn't learn my lesson the first time around.

The Rivera-era Champ II might be worth looking at. It is based on the non-reverb Princeton circuit from the 60s & 70s, not the Champ circuit as the name would indicate. More info and a download link on this site. It is a fairly simple circuit. It puts out about 18 watts, and looks like there are three gain stages ahead of the phase inverter, which is the cathodyne type. Could be a cool amp and would be fairly easy to build. I may have to build a copy of the circuit to see how it sounds.

Edit: Looks like Allen Amps sells most of the components to recreate a Champ II. He has appropriate Heyboer transformers as well.