For example, if you crank up a Bassman amp and strike hard with the pick you´ll hear that the note "sags" and then opens up.
I have heard the term "sag" now and then when people speak of great tube amps. What the heck is that? I never quite understood this term in relation to a guitar amp.
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For example, if you crank up a Bassman amp and strike hard with the pick you´ll hear that the note "sags" and then opens up.
I can't say that I've given up on a flanger cause I've never liked the effect either. I also can't say the same about Tremolo. I hate them both equally. - Tone2TheBone 2009
That's good to know. Kind of the compression factor?Originally Posted by SuperSwede
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I don't get it. I have played Bassmans and I have heard about the famous "sag" but I still don't understand what it is. People say the Valvetronix emulates this well but I can't tell apples from oranges here.
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Rob - think of it like a very slight delay on compression. Imagine the 80's metal rhythmic crunching.....chunk chunk chunk chunk. You feel the air move from the saturation...sorta like a dip in output. Thats sag. I would get killer sag on the Vox by compressing the Boutique Clean slightly. It would produce a tube like sag on clean tones that sounded really sweet. It was very expressive...depending on your pick attacks. The harder you picked the more prevalent the sag.
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Here's a fairly good description of sag that I came across:
http://www.aikenamps.com/Sag.html
It's most often associated with amps containing a tube rectifier. Because of their tendency to sag--and the resulting compression/sustain effect that it engenders--tube rectifiers are often employed specifically for the purpose of producing sag.
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Yes, what T2TB and DVM says is true. It "feels" like the amp is getting more input than it can handle and kneels a bit (hmm bad explanation perhaps: try this one). Much like when my wife tells me to do various chores. First I "sag" and then I sigh and do what I am told.
I can't say that I've given up on a flanger cause I've never liked the effect either. I also can't say the same about Tremolo. I hate them both equally. - Tone2TheBone 2009
Oh man you need a modification. Might I suggest Heineken.Originally Posted by SuperSwede
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SS, your chores rectifier needs an upgrade!
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Geez, Spuds, at least recommend a Swedish beer, not a Dutch one!Originally Posted by Spudman
Yes, a solid state chores rectifier will eliminate spousal wish compliance sag and promote matrimonial harmony!Originally Posted by Robert
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LMAO. You guys crack me up.....
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Is there really a Swedish beer that can do the kind of modification that we are talking about?Originally Posted by duhvoodooman
If that harmony is in 3rds then there is going to be some major disharmony.
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I really love the boutique clean with the gain above 12 O'clock and/or a slight bit of compression. On my Godin Radiator with the neck volume at oh say 8 and the bridge at 3 and the tone rolled back ever so slightly. Fingerpick & I'd swear that angels are flying outta' the amp.Originally Posted by tone2thebone
Do angels sag?...hmmm I dunno. But it sounds incredibly sweet & expressive with plently of bloom & responsiveness.
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No, I might have to move on to a Solid State power amph,Originally Posted by Spudman
I can't say that I've given up on a flanger cause I've never liked the effect either. I also can't say the same about Tremolo. I hate them both equally. - Tone2TheBone 2009