August 17th, 2011, 09:05 AM
August 17th, 2011, 09:05 AM
August 17th, 2011, 09:25 AM
It would seem that if the action is high and the bridge is nearly bottomed out, the neck angle is slightly off. A setup can't fix that. Good luck.
August 17th, 2011, 10:02 AM
Cool -- thanks for the early review. It's definitely a pretty guitar. Happy new guitar day!
August 17th, 2011, 10:09 AM
This is true - I tweaked the truss rod a bit before heading back into work and I noticed that the action was not high on all strings. The high E is bad - I mean WAY high but it's the cut at the nut. I'm hesitant to ding it without a proper setup. I will have to take this to the local luthier and what they can do.
Originally Posted by Bookkeeper's Son
I am certainly not WOW'd by the guitar out of the box - but I don't think there's anything seriously wrong with it IE improper neck angle.
August 17th, 2011, 12:53 PM
It looks to me from the streaking on the fretboard that it may be dyed rosewood. If so, no biggie, plenty of guitar companies use "ebonized" fretboards. The "dip" in the headstock is a little wierd... sanding error, perhaps?
The real Supremes are supposed to be chambered, and while feedback resistant, are definitely not feedback proof.
I suspect the cause of your setup issue is the nut was cut way too high... Any problems with fretting notes on the first three frets?
Like most that have bought Chinese "Gibsuns", a new nut, setup, and electronics will turn 'er into a player.
Keep us updated on what you decide to do!
August 17th, 2011, 01:07 PM
August 17th, 2011, 01:13 PM
Hopefully, it'll end up with acceptable action, but I think it's fair to begin concluding that the guitar was not manufactured with a great deal of precision, considering the flaws you've reported thus far.
Originally Posted by progrmr
August 17th, 2011, 01:16 PM
Unless there is a definite design flaw, a good tech will have it playing like a dream. I have purchased many guitars that were ugly ducklings out of the box but became swans after my tech got a hold of it.
I would guiess, neck reliefe, saddles, and nut could be adjusted. The only lower end guitar that I have purchased that was really perfect out of the box was the Agile 3126 Korean made.
The neck looks very similar to my "Ebony" board on the Agile.
I am pretty impressed with the case. You really don't get too many with the combo lock and double neck supports for that kind of money. Hell the case is worth a 100 a least.
August 17th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Uhhh...did the lack of an access panel go by everyone including me?? lol! How does one access the electronics in this guitar??
EDIT: Apparently this was a design goal...pickup cavities??
August 17th, 2011, 02:54 PM
It is a fallacy that all ebony is completely black. Even really expensive pieces can have brown streaks in it. If it is real ebony, I'm sure it's the cheapest piece they could find which would make the coloring inconsistent at best.
August 17th, 2011, 02:59 PM
It looks really good. Do you think those are real Grover tuners? And what about the pups, any indication as to what they might be?
Regarding setup, I bought a second hand Epiphone Zakk Wylde LP and had the frets leveled. After replacing the stock EMG Hz
with some Seymour Duncan Blackouts the guitar plays awesome. My first Epiphone (Ultra II) also needed some fret work but
I sold it. So even name brands aren't without their faults.
August 17th, 2011, 03:13 PM
August 17th, 2011, 04:41 PM
Turns out the real LP Supremes are made same way. I'm guessing you have to work through the pup cavities.
Originally Posted by Tig
I took the guitar to the luthier I use - I'm very concerned the action will not be able to be corrected. They're going call me in a day or two and let me know what they can do w/ it.
Hope I'm not stuck with a $390 POS....but I guess I knew that was a possibility when I ordered.
I keep the tread updated with the results.
August 17th, 2011, 05:18 PM
Can't really expect everything to be top quality when it is only a few hundred dollars. Given that, the guitar looks quite decent. One of the pictures showing the tuners from the back make them look like they are tarnished. I'm guessing that's not really the case.
One thing these Chinese copy don't do is to have the neck binding go over the fret ends. That's one easy way to identify the fakes.
August 17th, 2011, 09:36 PM
The lack of a control cavity is one of the major drawbacks of the Supreme. You have to be a good "Fisherman" if you want to change anything or repair. I have seen them do the 335s through the F holes so a pickup cavity should be a breeze right. Not so sure. It will be interesting to see if they can fix the action. You may have just purchased a really nice looking slide guitar!
August 17th, 2011, 11:31 PM
August 18th, 2011, 06:21 AM
How does the price compare with a Eiphone or Agile guitar ? Are you now stuck with a lame duck as sending it back might cause a few issues.
August 18th, 2011, 06:40 AM
Price is better than Epi or Agile 3000 or higher model - I got a guitar and hard case for $390. You could get an AL-2000 or AL-2500 with a case delivered for probably about the same price so it depends on the features.
I am not returning this guitar - it's too much of a PITA to hassle with. So at this point my experience could be summarized as:
Out of the box I'd say an Epi or Agile with similar features would be better than the one I got. Now the problem I'm having with the action may just be the exception not the rule. But having spent $390 and having to drop another ~$60 right off the bat just to see if the guitar can be made playable ("playable" being comfortable action I'd expect to be able to get with any guitar) brings the price to $450 and I might be stuck with something I can't even play unless I learn me some slide!
Bottom line is that my curiosity has been fulfilled - I took the chance and if I had it to do over again knowing what I know now I'd go with an Agile or Epi over this purchase. At least with one of those brands you could send it back. I **could** send this one back and try to get another one but it'd take 6 weeks and it's just not worth my time.
I'm hopeful the luthier can do something but honestly I've bought/sold a ton of guitars and pretty much always done my own setups. I know what's involved and how to get it to my liking - given that it's a set neck guitar I'm not sure there's anything they can do. But they are the pro's so until I hear back from them I'm still hopeful it'll come out good.
Even if they can get it playing comfortably - I won't be buying from Trade Tang again.