If you were going to build a cab.. ?

[ted s]

and were going to go 2x12 Celestion Vintage 30's, home/basement/garage enviroments, driven by Epi Jr.head.... closed back ? semi-closed ? open ? closed and ported ? baffled ? or just go simple open back no baffles because I probably can't tell the difference anyway ???

thanks

Ted

[Cranium]

I would get semi-open, what brand cab is it btw?

[Spudman***]

I'd probably copy the Ear Candy design if possible. Check their web site and they explain the materials that they use and why they chose to do their cabs this way.

I'd also go with a convertible design. What I'd do is split the back panel so that I could run with it open or closed depending on the situation and amph used. All you would have to do is make the back panel in two pieces. When you want to convert you'll either just install 1/2 of the back or remove it. 8 screws maybe? Simple.

I don't know why more custom cabinet builders don't use this design. It makes the cabinet much more versatile in my opinion.

[oldguy]

What Spudman said.
You might want to surf a little and check available tolex, grille cloth, etc., if you're going to build it you might as well make it your own, and have it compliment the head. Lots of options out there.
A ported cab can help projection and bass response. The combination/convertible type cab is nice depending on whether or not there will be a wall to reflect/project frequencies, or be used outdoors. Some Avatar cabs have an oblong cutout, but a plate to plug that and make it a closed back would be easy to build. Earcandy is having some deals on ebay this week, also.

http://www.avatarspeakers.com/

http://www.earcandycabs.com/main.htm
http://www.earcandycabs.com/salecabs/MVC-033F.JPG



http://www.earcandycabs.com/salecabs/MVC-025F.JPG

http://www.earcandycabs.com/salecabs/diab1.JPG

[ted s]

I would get semi-open, what brand cab is it btw?

I have the speakers and was planning on building my own.
Thanks for the tips guys, I will plan for convertable.
Any thoughts as to how the VJ head will load these puppies up ? They will handle 60w a piece and I'm wondering if it will be like a fart in the breeze or maybe like a monster 8 cylinder with 5 plug wires pulled, or maybe like peeing in an Olympic sized swimming pool, or .... OK enough of my analogies..

[oldguy]

Make sure you match impedance when you wire them up, and plug into the right hole in the back of the amp. Play it for awhile to get the feel of it. Then go get a Digitech RP-250 and play with some of the amp models and presets.
Then find the one you like best and tweak it 'till it's just on the edge of being out of control. Then add a Bad Monkey pedal to boost it over the edge where it is out of control. Then play some slide guitar on it where it sounds like a train going off the tracks at full speed and crashing into a nitroglycerine plant next to a swamp where moonshiners have their stills set up and they all explode. Then add some lyrics to it and post it back here so we can hear how it sounds. If it doesn't have enough gain we'll figure out how to push it further over the edge until it sounds like a hurricane peeing in a wading pool.

Oh, yeah, I had to edit this... add some cowbell with a hall reverb...

[sunvalleylaw]

If it doesn't have enough gain we'll figure out how to push it further over the edge until it sounds like a hurricane peeing in a wading pool.

Isn't that hurricane noise kind of a Neil Young Crazy Horse thang?!!

[oldguy]

Yeah, it's kinda "like a hurricane", you're right.

[ted s]

funny stuff !!

[ted s]

I guess we're not working tomorrow ?...........

[oldguy]

All I'll be working on is getting an out of control sound out of my Valve Jr. head with the Avatar 2x12 Celestion cab and the RP-250 and Bad Monkey.
I might even try some slide on it!

[sunvalleylaw]

Yeah, I better get to bed. Teaching privates tomorrow up on the hill, then off to the office. Pretty easy to get sidetracked here with youze guys.

Funny, I wasn't even thinking about the song "Like a Hurricane" when I said that. I just had heard the hurricane description about the Crazy Horse sound somewhere. I think on the Thrasher's Wheat site. Anyway, good night guys.

[ted s]

Watch out for those trains though, could be a Roadrunner with a head-lamp on, heading at you through one of those Acme instant holes.

[oldguy]

I'd just remembered that song after the hurricane reference. Anyway, I think it's been a long time since NY had any "blow" stuck in the nose.
Burton Cummings once sang "and NY no longer means New York City, since he once said "Hello" to me". I liked the Guess Who.

[oldguy]

I actually used to sell Acme holes and vacuum sweepers door to door. If you tried to demonstrate a sweeper and dumped a bag of dirt on the floor, only to find the residence had no electricity, it was an easy fix. You threw the hole down, kicked all the dirt in it, picked it up and left. And if a prospective buyer was especially rude, you threw an XXXXLLLL free sample hole behind their car and left. Worked real slick.

[tot_Ou_tard]

Man O Man Oldy...you sure had me rolling with all your comments in this thread. I hope you had fun last night!

[Spudman***]

Ted
If you are looking for grille cloth try Lopoline Cabs web site. They sell just grille cloth in a wide assortment of styles. At least I think that's where I saw it. Sounds like you'll end up with a pretty cool custom cabinet. Shazam!

[ted s]

Do you think there would be any audible difference at this level of set up between a cab built out of MDF and a cab built out of ply ? Would I even notice the difference ?

[ted s]

All those pics from M29 and his great looking combo box made me want to post a few pics. A carpenter friend built me the box last winter, I failed at the first cover job until my bro lent me 2 more arms. The frisbee grills are temporary until I can talk M29 into relinquishing the private stock (jk )

http://www.box.net/shared/kppymc7trf