Classic Player series. Does Fender lie?

[ted s]

Stinger ALWAYS has the best smilies.

[abraxas]

DVM, thanks for sticking up for me. I appreciate it. I have stayed out of this because I am a member of the "suspect class". Hey, guys, we are all friends here and I am not offended. Abraxas, generally speaking, I am not deeply offended by lawyer jokes. Too many of them out there to be offended. But I am not very much amused most of the time either. Again, just heard too many of them, and the humor is often mean spirited, which is not my favorite type of humor. Don't get me wrong, there are funny lawyer jokes and I can take a joke. Just most aren't that witty.

I think there are a lot of misconceptions about the role of a lawyer in United States society, and if someone really believes that all lawyers are ruining the world, that would bother me. (EDIT: I re-read the comment, It really says "Yeah, that happens when you let lawyers run the World.") I also understand why the jokes happen, and sympathise with those that feel they have been abused by lawyers in some way. I didn't really take the comment we are talking about like that, but I didn't necessarily care for the comment either, partly because the comment helps to perpetuate a mis-statement. I was not going to comment, but because DVM has so valiantly stuck to his guns, I thought it unfair to leave him twisting out there without comment. Not a big deal, and certainly not worth any censorship, but I do appreciate DVM's support. I don't think anyone intended offense, and I do not feel offended. Might be nice to move on though.


As to the topic at hand, I do not know enough about the facts to comment and would defer to people that know more like Jimi75, or direct contact with Fender.

OK, it wasn't my intention to follow up with this, but I believe it's only appropriate that I say a few things.

My friend, if you read my post in context it should be obvious I was not bashing lawyers in general. I mentioned a tv show for crying out loud. As for the comment about lawyers running the world, I'll stick to it. The world has to be run on vision, inspiration and innovation not legal codes; although they have their place. Finally I have no idea what the "the role of a lawyer in United States society" stereotype seems to be. I am not American.

You can take pride in your profession and should. Our discussion is on a rather different subject here. It's about legal mumbo jumbo and Fender's use of legal loopholes. "Specs subject to change without notice". Yeah right. Let me provide a translation for you: "Listen pal, we happen to have the best and most expensive lawyers and don't you ever dare think we won't take advantage of every legal trick there is to make a buck".

A really honest company would circulate a press release stating the changes in specs, esp. for a popular line like the Classic Player. It wouldn't change them when nobody was looking.

It should be clear by now where this was going with all the lawyer jokes. If I should apologize for anything, this would be my limited command of the written English language, which can lead to misconceptions.

[warren0728]

looks like the shows not over...time for more popcorn and a "beverage"

ww

[sunvalleylaw]

Hi Abraxas: Like I said, I don't think anyone intended offense to me, and I am not offended. I certainly did not intend any offense by my response. I respect your and Elavd's opinions. Anyone is entitled to his opinion and you may certainly have yours as far as I am concerned. Your home is the birthplace of much of American law and certainly the most common way for teaching it (Socratic method). Spirited civil debate without personal attack owes much, or maybe even most, to the traditions of the Greek philosopers. Peace brother.

Steve

[abraxas]

Steve you've got pm

Sorry guys, no more show tonight. I'm off to practice, be nice. :

[elavd]

Compare my Classic Player's 60s "Custom 69":



to the ORIGINALS:




What do you think????

[Justaguyin_nc]

Hey, I didn't chime in yet??

Elavd, if you got a problem with a company..any company and its related to guitars.. please by all means... make a thread...

I do it all the time.. Guitars, stores and payment methods...

If all we did was talk nice about things..how we gonna find out which do have some sort of problems..

Someone bad mouthed my new "old" Bassman cause it was not the Original old ones while my original post mentioned I didn't care what the nay sayers say..I take it with a grain of salt.. cause I know its a very good amp..cause I play it and like it..

I also believe we need to follow up in the proper places to.. then get back to the forum and let everyone know the outcome..

If this site starts limiting what you can say..it's not a site...

As for lawyer jokes... CNN said some guy is sueing god.. tis true.. God was gonna counter sue, but couldnt find a lawyer... I HEARD THIS ON CNN... and thought its funny..but tacky.. I am very sure sunvalleylaw is soooo tired of those jokes every place.. and can understand it.. but we all are built with skin..some tougher then others.. heck, I can't spell.. been told that here.. I can't put things in proper order in my posts..been told that here.. but I am still here.. cause.. well.. I want to be till its to much censored.. I don't believe thefret.net will become that.. we all have some heart..

ON TOPIC: I hope you get what you paid for from fender..and YES I think it matters!!

and if I am wrong to type any of this...any moderator wants to tell me to leave..POOF I am gone.......not a problem...

Oh btw elvad..I finally got those corners on my pedal board!!! thanks..

[Spudman***]

If your guitar is supposed to come with the Master Wound pickups and you didn't get what they advertised the guitar with then I feel you do have a legitimate complaint. This thread clearly shows that there is a big difference.
http://www.fender.com/community/foru...opic.php?t=703

Those Abby wound pickups would indeed increase in value and would initially be worth more as well. So if the literature that described your guitar plainly stated that it came with those pickups and it didn't, well then I'd be pissed too.

So? Was the guitar supposed to have that particular pickup in it?

[elavd]

So? Was the guitar supposed to have that particular pickup in it?

I copy-paste from Fender's specs:

"Pickups: 3 Custom ‘69 Single-Coil Strat® Pickups with Grey Bobbins"

http://www.fender.com/products//sear...tno=0141100372

[Tone2TheBone]

If your guitar is supposed to come with the Master Wound pickups and you didn't get what they advertised the guitar with then I feel you do have a legitimate complaint. This thread clearly shows that there is a big difference.
http://www.fender.com/community/foru...opic.php?t=703

Those Abby wound pickups would indeed increase in value and would initially be worth more as well. So if the literature that described your guitar plainly stated that it came with those pickups and it didn't, well then I'd be pissed too.

So? Was the guitar supposed to have that particular pickup in it?

Aren't the Abby Master Wounds different altogether than the Custom Shop '69 pups that were supposed to come stock on the Classic 60s Players Strat? Now we're even more cornfused.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320150112442

[elavd]

Aren't the Abby Master Wounds different altogether than the Custom Shop '69 pups that were supposed to come stock on the Classic 60s Players Strat? Now we're even more cornfused.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320150112442

Abby wounds sets on custom demand and she signs on them by writing "Abby"




The Custom 69s, are not wound by Abby, but inspected and dated by her. These pickups have the initials "A.Y." and cost half of the price of the handmade ones:





And, probably, there is a third category...(like those on my CP60s) that have the specs of the CS69s but are made in Mexico, and have nothing to do with Abby...

[Justaguyin_nc]

in this day of over priced Vintage stuff..thats a BIG buying point... Very BIG!

think of this 20-30 years down the road.. when everyone is talking about those great Abby labeled pickups!!

[Spudman***]

I copy-paste from Fender's specs:

"Pickups: 3 Custom ‘69 Single-Coil Strat® Pickups with Grey Bobbins"

http://www.fender.com/products//sear...tno=0141100372

Those are totally different pickups then. End of discussion.

[Lev]

I checked mine last night, they are initialed & dated but no sticker.

[elavd]

Lev can you please tell me (if you remember) by looking the above pictures, if the bobbin color is like the one on 2nd or the 3rd image?

[Lev]

I can't be 100& sure Elavd without looking again - I think they looked like the second image but without the sticker. I just did a quick check last night without taking the pickguard completely off. Tomorrow I'll have more time and will take a picture.

[elavd]

I can't be 100& sure Elavd without looking again - I think they looked like the second image but without the sticker. I just did a quick check last night without taking the pickguard completely off. Tomorrow I'll have more time and will take a picture.

OK thanks!!!

[Lev]

my pickups

[elavd]

Lev as far as I can see, your pickups have the same bobbin color but mine are not signed.

Yours:




and mine:






As far as I can tell, neither yours nor mine have the same color with the original Custom 69s...