Spider Valve...Returned it today

[TS808]

After having the Spider Valve 212 since Oct. 4th, I finally decided after the honeymoon was over, to return it today to GC. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad amp, but that's about as far as it goes after spending some time with it...my opinion anyway.

The two high gain channels...metal and insane...are pretty useless, for me anyway. I found the blues and crunch channels to be too dark sounding, and the cleans not as clean as I'd like. Alot of the presets are very good, but I began to notice that on low or medium volumes, the amp does display some digital "brittleness" to it....I compared it to my Flextone III XL several times, and I much prefer the tones of the Flextone. The Flextone to me, had better highs, less thumpy mids, and a tighter bass.

I returned the amp and found a pristine used Peavey Delta Blues 210...Not a scratch on it or scuff, and CLEAN. The original owner even installed the tube tamer on the power tubes. I've been wanting a Delta Blues for some time, and why I never got one, I don't know...awesome amp.

[Spudman***]

Wise choice on the Delta. Congrats.

I haven't found any charm in the Spider Valve either. Now the Delta on the other hand....speaks.

[TS808]

Wise choice on the Delta. Congrats.

I haven't found any charm in the Spider Valve either. Now the Delta on the other hand....speaks.

Agreed. The Spider Valve isn't a "terrible" amp...I think though if they had done more with the amp models, such as on the Flextone, it would be a good sounding amp. I found the Spider Valve to be lacking in sustain, harmonics, and found the highs to be spikey and the lows to be too overwhelming.

The Delta Blues is awesome, and in my opinion one of the most under-rated amps out there.

The cool thing too is that the previous owner installed a tube tamer on the Delta Blues too...cool.

[Spudman***]

The cool thing too is that the previous owner installed a tube tamer on the Delta Blues too...cool.

So does the tube tame actually work? I get horrible rattle with JJs around the house. I can't really hear it at gig level though but if it's one of those things that will make a difference I'd certainly consider making the investment.

[TS808]

It seems to...by retaining the power tubes, I haven't heard any rattle at all.

[stingx]

That Line 6 Spider Valve is a piece of shit and so is pretty much everything that company makes. I have a DL4 that I love, but that's really the only pedal that has even remotely impressed me.

There you go...let it all out now.

[stingx]

TS, I tried to like that amp. It didn't do it for me either. I like my old PodXT just fine for recording but that's about it. I'm not a tube snob either. I get pleasure outta playing through some SS amps as well. Look on the 'bay for a DuoVerb. There are the best amps Line 6 ever made.

[Algonquin]

I think Bogner makes a fine amp... I tried the Spider, and didn't want the modeling/tube combe for what I was looking for. I think Line 6 Spider amps have provided a lot of bang for the buck for many guitarists.

[Jimi75]

Good decision to return it. I heard that Bogner wants to bring out a cheaper pure Bogner series that will be approx. the same price category as the Spider Valve. As far as I heard the sales numbers of the Spider Valve are very bad.

[Spudman***]

As far as I heard the sales numbers of the Spider Valve are very bad.

Which could mean in the very new future you might be able to pick one up super cheap...that is if you really want one.

[TS808]

TS, I tried to like that amp. It didn't do it for me either. I like my old PodXT just fine for recording but that's about it. I'm not a tube snob either. I get pleasure outta playing through some SS amps as well. Look on the 'bay for a DuoVerb. There are the best amps Line 6 ever made.

I thought the Spider Valve sounded pretty good at first, but the more I played it, the more dull it sounded to me. The cleans just didn't have that shimmer or sparkle, and the lows were too flabby, and the mids seemed to deep...It just seemed to lack something.

I have a POD XT too and love it and owned a Duoverb combo..excellent amp. I have a Flextone III XL now that I REALLY like....

I think Line 6 makes some good products, I just think they missed on the Spider Valve. I think if they would have made a tube model of the Flextone III or Duoverb, they would have had a winner.

What kills the Spider and the Spider Valve are weak amp models (some which are actually based on a "mix" of several amps). Taking the platform of a Spider and putting tubes in it, did little I think, to improve the tone.

[TS808]

Good decision to return it. I heard that Bogner wants to bring out a cheaper pure Bogner series that will be approx. the same price category as the Spider Valve. As far as I heard the sales numbers of the Spider Valve are very bad.

Bogner is coming out with the Alchemist...40 watts, in a head, 112 combo, and a 212 combo. I think the 212 combo is going to go for about $300 more than the Spider Valve 212