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    Quote Originally Posted by tunghaichuan View Post
    FWIW, I suspect a lot of new production 12AY7s are nothing more than weak-testing 12AX7s. NOS might be your best bet. Look for 6072 tubes, they are industrial-labeled 12AY7s. They'll probably outlast new production tubes by a great deal, and will probably sound better as well. If you find 6072 tubes, be prepared for sticker shock.
    Just won an ebay auction for 2 12AU7 and 1 12AY7: all untested, but I took a gamble for 15 bucks shipped.

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    Update:!:!

    So I finally got around to swapping out the tubes in my Peavey Ultra 112 on the weekend so I thought I should post back and answer the question I posed some time ago.

    Question: Power Tubes... Can they cause volume (power) loss as they age?
    Answer: Absolutely!

    I've been pretty busy of late, so I didn't really adopt the scientific approach of swapping each preamp tube individually to see what happened, I just ripped out six old tubes and put in six new ones. I haven't even made up a bias probe yet so I can't actually tell you how 'hot' the new power tubes are running (This amp has fixed bias, and was designed for the tubes I just put in it, but I'll eventually measure the bias and decide if I need to mod the amp for variable bias)

    But enough of my excuses...

    What came out. 4 12AX7's. Three with no markings, and one with a small sticker that says "China". Two Sovtek 5881's pretending to be 6L6's (see previous discussion in this thread)

    What went in. 4 Tung Sol reissue 12AX7's and 2 SED Winged C 6L6GC's (all from TheTubeStore.com)

    What happened when I turned it on.....

    Leaving all levels as they were when I last played at comfortable volume in my room, the first thing I noticed was how much louder the amp was. Not just "h'mm I think that's a little bit louder than it was last time" louder, more like "Holy Crapdogs, where's that Master volume at!" louder.

    The second thing I noticed was an obvious improvement in tone in all three channels. The clean, whilst always "good", now feels more powerful with a definite extension in bass frequencies and even with the dirty old strings on the guitar I was using, it was noticeably more "chimey".

    The Crunch channel is where it all happens on the Ultra, and the breakup now sounds more complex and it also gained some additional high and low frequency range. I'm loving this channel!

    The Ultra channel is still a massive gain monster and I've only briefly messed with it with the new tubes, but my first impressions were that there is noticeably more bottom end, and when the gain cranked, it's a lot less "fizzy".

    I am really pumped to try it out in a rehearsal space so I can crank it up, but at apartment levels it sounds like a whole new amp. In this case phrases like "It sounded like a blanket was lifted from the speakers" really do apply.

    The only negative is it seems I've picked up some hum with the new tubes. It's quite low in volume and is independent of input. In fact as soon as you play a note it's inaudible. It gets louder with Master volume, not preamp volume. I'm thinking power tube related? I bought a matched set which I'd assumed would prevent hum from a mismatched pair, but I suppose it could be a PI with mismatched halves too. I think I should try swapping preamp tubes around and see what happens, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. It's totally something I can live with, and it may have even been like this originally, but if I can fix it, I'll try. I've been using weaksauce tubes for so long.......

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    Reviews like this always make me want to spend money. Thanks for the update. Have you used those SEDs before? I've been interested in trying them too, but at this point all my amphs are working and sounding okay...but of course the tone hunt always goes on.

    My other guitar player gets some hum from his Prosonic when one of the tubes is a little lose. As soon as he reseats it the hum goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudman View Post
    Reviews like this always make me want to spend money. Thanks for the update. Have you used those SEDs before? I've been interested in trying them too, but at this point all my amphs are working and sounding okay...but of course the tone hunt always goes on.

    My other guitar player gets some hum from his Prosonic when one of the tubes is a little lose. As soon as he reseats it the hum goes away.
    Hi Spud, No I haven't used the SED's before. I just read a lot of nice reviews of them.

    If your amps are all sounding great, then I can't say that a set of the Winged C's will make any of them better. I'm sure a large part of the "WoW!" factor I'm experiencing is down to the fact the old tubes have been in there since around 1994...

    It does sound wicked nice now though

    I have "the last known recording" before the amp started buzzing badly as the tubes died, so when I get it run in a little and dialed in the way I like I'll compare the recordings.

    One thing though is absolutely certain, she sure is louder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tunghaichuan View Post
    FWIW, I suspect a lot of new production 12AY7s are nothing more than weak-testing 12AX7s. NOS might be your best bet. Look for 6072 tubes, they are industrial-labeled 12AY7s. They'll probably outlast new production tubes by a great deal, and will probably sound better as well. If you find 6072 tubes, be prepared for sticker shock.
    I nabbed a used, untested, GE 6072 on ebay for 11 bucks. And it works! Thanks for the heads up! Sounds great too.

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    Speaking of tubes, I need a couple good ones for my jvm. It wont work with any new sensor tubes, they just burn in cathode follower positions real quick...just swapped out one Tung SOL because it just grumbled ugly when driven...gotta check out the orig.types in it and buy some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deeaa View Post
    Speaking of tubes, I need a couple good ones for my jvm. It wont work with any new sensor tubes, they just burn in cathode follower positions real quick...just swapped out one Tung SOL because it just grumbled ugly when driven...gotta check out the orig.types in it and buy some.
    Yeah I've heard that. That's why I also ordered a couple of Chinese Ruby's for my JTM45 project. I'll be using one in V2 for that exact reason.

    Fortunately my Peavey doesn't use a cathode follower

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