Epiphone Tribute Les Paul vs. Agile AL3000 in a battle royale

[ZMAN]

FF: I am a little confused with the pictures. At one point you mentioned voiding the warranty if you put a pick gaurd on the Epi. In some pictures, You show the Epi Sans gaurd, and some with, and vice versa. Is this trick photography or are you swapping them back and forth?
I will be more interested in the 3 way comparison between the Epi with the US pickups, the Standard and the Agile.
Try to use one setting on your amps and pedals for all three. It will really become apparent which is the nicest tone.

[FrankenFretter***]

FF: I am a little confused with the pictures. At one point you mentioned voiding the warranty if you put a pick gaurd on the Epi. In some pictures, You show the Epi Sans gaurd, and some with, and vice versa. Is this trick photography or are you swapping them back and forth?
I will be more interested in the 3 way comparison between the Epi with the US pickups, the Standard and the Agile.
Try to use one setting on your amps and pedals for all three. It will really become apparent which is the nicest tone.

I put the bell knobs and pickguard from the Agile on the Epi, but didn't actually mount the guard on the guitar. It's held there by tension alone. I do think the Agile looks great without the guard, although I'll be putting a black one on there soon enough.

We played all three last night, switching between the amphs and players. In my personal opinion, the Tribute has the edge in tone. I believe my brother would agree. The more I play/listen to the Tribute, the more impressed I am with the tone. I'm okay with the Agile sounding different than the Epi, since there wouldn't be much point in having two nearly identical guitars that also sound the same. I'm not sure where the LP Standard falls in with the other two; I'd say it's sort of in the middle, as far as tone. We'll be playing more today, so I'll have more updates later this weekend.

[bcdon***]

Great review, Sean! Thanks a lot.

Man, that Agile is sweet! Those two LPs side by side with the Marshall in between is some serious Ménage Ã* trois guitar porn.

[ZMAN]

I put the bell knobs and pickguard from the Agile on the Epi, but didn't actually mount the guard on the guitar. It's held there by tension alone. I do think the Agile looks great without the guard, although I'll be putting a black one on there soon enough.

We played all three last night, switching between the amphs and players. In my personal opinion, the Tribute has the edge in tone. I believe my brother would agree. The more I play/listen to the Tribute, the more impressed I am with the tone. I'm okay with the Agile sounding different than the Epi, since there wouldn't be much point in having two nearly identical guitars that also sound the same. I'm not sure where the LP Standard falls in with the other two; I'd say it's sort of in the middle, as far as tone. We'll be playing more today, so I'll have more updates later this weekend.

Thanks FF:
This review agrees with you 100%. It has to the the pickups.
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Description: Epiphone Tribute Les PaulEDIT.As Good As It Gets! Epiphone’s history and association with Les Paul dates way back to the days when Les, working at the Epiphone factory on 14th St. in New York, created the world’s first electric guitar. Over the years, Les continued to work closely with Epiphone by reviewing new product ideas and offering suggestions. The NEW Epiphone “Tribute� Les Paul Standards honor that relationship by combining “as good as it gets� performance and features with legendary Epiphone quality and value. At the heart of the “Tribute� Les Paul is construction. Tribute LP’s feature a solid Mahogany back with a solid, carved hard Maple cap to create the ultimate combination of warmth and bite. Everyone knows that set-neck guitars provide the best rock tone and sustain and the “Tributes� take that to the next level featuring the original “deep set� neck joint. The solid Mahogany neck with hand-fitted, glued-in joint extends well into the neck pickup cavity creating maximum neck-to-body contact and acting almost like one continuous piece of wood. Combined with the Mahogany/Maple body, the result is a tribute to Les’ timeless guitar design with the sound that you can only get from a Les Paul. Your choice of neck profiles. Depending upon your taste, you have the choice of either a traditional “1960’s� SlimTaper™ neck profile or an Asymmetrical neck profile. The “1960’s� SlimTaper is a comfortable “D� shaped neck that was used and made famous on many 1960’s era, Kalamazoo-made guitars from Gibson and Epiphone. The newer Asymmetrical neck has multiple radii and combines a more rounded “D� shape on the bass side of the neck with a flatter “C� shape on the treble side. This leads to a very comfortable neck that more ergonomically contours to fit the hand of most players. Both profiles are available on the Tributes and the choice is yours! But quality construction, premium woods and choice are only part of the equation. Capturing all the power and nuances of the “Tribute� is a pair of authentic Gibson USA ‘57 Classic humbucking pickups. With its “Patent Applied For� decal on the base plate, the ’57 Classic and ’57 Classic Plus are faithful replicas of the famous Gibson humbuckers that helped define the music of the late 1950s. The ’57 Classic gives you a tone that is warm and subtle with full, even response that doesn’t hold back when you need that classic Gibson humbucker crunch! The ‘57 Classic Plus is the perfect bridge pickup and mimics humbuckers of that era that received a few extra turns of wire. This treatment gives the pickup slighter higher output without sacrificing its rich, vintage tone. In combination, this pair of humbuckers overdrives tube preamps to a smooth level of saturation without becoming overpowering. Both ’57’s feature Gibson’s special Alnico II magnet, vintage enamel coated wire, nickel plated pole pieces, nickel slugs, maple spacers and vintage-style, braided wiring. But this guitar is not just about recreating the “old�, it’s also about looking ahead… just as Les himself continued to do throughout his lifetime. Using 4-conductor pickup wiring, Epiphone has added two push/pull tone pots to allow for series/parallel pickup switching. The result is a Les Paul with all the standard sounds plus a huge palette of tonal possibilities at your fingertips. Loaded with premium add-ons! Other upgrades include a U.S. Switchcraft™ 3-way toggle, Mallory-150 tone capacitors, Epiphone StrapLocks, 16:1 ratio premium Grover™ locking tuners and a premium hard case. Like every Epiphone, it features their Limited Lifetime warranty backed by world famous 24/7/365 day Gibson Customer Service. This guitar is not only a tribute to Les Paul, it’s a tribute to just how good a guitar can be…TODAY!

[FrankenFretter***]

I popped the cover off of the electronics cavity on the Agile in order to swap it for the black one that arrived today. Inside I was happy to see Alpha pots, and what may or may not be Sprague caps. They are orange, and they're not the cheap ceramic caps. The pickup selector switch is also quality, looking similar to a Switchcraft.

The new pickups for the Agile come on Monday, along with the black speed knobs. I'm hoping I can tell a difference, and I'm hoping it's a good difference rather than the other way round.

I changed the strings on the Epi today. No more dirty fingertips. The locking tuners confuse me a bit; I've never had them before, and I don't know if I'm understanding them correctly. Maybe someone here can explain how they're supposed to work.

[Duff]

The way the Tribute locking tuners work is to put the string thru the post hole from the middle line of the guitar, the line going from the middle of the tip of the headstock to the tail pin. Orient the post hole 90 degrees approx from the normal orientation of the string, sideways. Push the string thru towards the outside of the guitar and pull it thru until you have about an inch and a half or so of string going sideways back from the hole toward the mid line, held sideways to the normal string direction, at a right angle to the normal string orientation, pulling the string taught.

Hold the string at about the mid line and turn the tuner button. At first the string will not start to wind, but a cam inside the post will swing into place inside the hole the string is in and push the string against the other side of the hole, clamping it firmly in place. At this point continuing to turn the button will cause the string to wind onto the post.

You only need to wind it like one and a half times around the post. Having only a small length of string wound around the post helps keep the string in tune, especially on Fender style tremolo guitars where each time you apply the whammy bar the string loosens up and then tightens on the post. Each time it loosens and tightens, it takes up slack you can't see in all the winds that are commonly put around a standard post. This tightening up of the slack around the post results in the string being loose and therefore going out of tune, and visa versa.

People use locking tuners on non tremolo guitars as well. Again there is less slack around the post because you only wrap it around one and a half times.

Once you get the hang of it, it makes restringing really fast. And you can usually reuse the strings if you have to take them off for whatever reason, new pickups, etc.

I really like locking tuners and think they are worth the extra money, which can be as high as 80 dollars just for the tuners, as in Fender Locking Tuners, plus minus.

Hope this description helps show how the Tribute locking tuners are strung up and work, approximately. There are even more detailed methods of stringing them where the angle of the post is different for each string on each side of the head, but just having the hole sideways seems to work real well. It takes a few times to get it so you know just how much string to hold back so you don't get too many winds around the post.

[FrankenFretter***]

The way the Tribute locking tuners work is to put the string thru the post hole from the middle line of the guitar, the line going from the middle of the tip of the headstock to the tail pin. Orient the post hole 90 degrees approx from the normal orientation of the string, sideways. Push the string thru towards the outside of the guitar and pull it thru until you have about an inch and a half or so of string going sideways back from the hole toward the mid line, held sideways to the normal string direction, at a right angle to the normal string orientation, pulling the string taught.

Hold the string at about the mid line and turn the tuner button. At first the string will not start to wind, but a cam inside the post will swing into place inside the hole the string is in and push the string against the other side of the hole, clamping it firmly in place. At this point continuing to turn the button will cause the string to wind onto the post.

You only need to wind it like one and a half times around the post. Having only a small length of string wound around the post helps keep the string in tune, especially on Fender style tremolo guitars where each time you apply the whammy bar the string loosens up and then tightens on the post. Each time it loosens and tightens, it takes up slack you can't see in all the winds that are commonly put around a standard post. This tightening up of the slack around the post results in the string being loose and therefore going out of tune, and visa versa.

People use locking tuners on non tremolo guitars as well. Again there is less slack around the post because you only wrap it around one and a half times.

Once you get the hang of it, it makes restringing really fast. And you can usually reuse the strings if you have to take them off for whatever reason, new pickups, etc.

I really like locking tuners and think they are worth the extra money, which can be as high as 80 dollars just for the tuners, as in Fender Locking Tuners, plus minus.

Hope this description helps show how the Tribute locking tuners are strung up and work, approximately. There are even more detailed methods of stringing them where the angle of the post is different for each string on each side of the head, but just having the hole sideways seems to work real well. It takes a few times to get it so you know just how much string to hold back so you don't get too many winds around the post.

Thanks, Duff. Did your Tribute come with instructions on how to use the locking tuners, or did you already have this knowledge? Mine came with no instructions, and they weren't obvious in their usage. Not to me, anyway.

[Tig***]

Thanks, Duff. Did your Tribute come with instructions on how to use the locking tuners, or did you already have this knowledge? Mine came with no instructions, and they weren't obvious in their usage. Not to me, anyway.

Careful, Sean... Real men never read instructions!
What's next, asking for directions? Sheeesh!